Super 17 vs 50% Base Goku (FnF)

[Southern Gothic]

Super 17 is post absorption here. Who wins?

 

[kriss-]

Let's look at this numerically:

Goku (FnF)
-Base 6,000 (50% Power)
-Base 12,000
-Mssj 600,000

Beerus
-Expected 50,000

Vegetto
-Base 100
-Mssj 5,000
-SSj2 10,000
-SSj3 40,000

Feeza (FnF)
-1rst Form 50
-4th Form 11,250

Boohan
-Full Power 500

Goku (Db Super)
-SSj3 400

Ultimate Gohan
-Full Power 300

Gotenks Post
-SSj3 200

Super Boo
-Full Power 200

Goku/Vegeta
-SSj2 100

Teen Gohan (FnF)
-SSj 25

Goku should get trashed. He needs Super Saiyan to win, even then it might be a close fight.

 

[Southern Gothic]

You've got a lot of DBS numbers here. How are you using that to compare to Super 17? Just theory?

 

[kriss-]

No.

Teen Gohan in FnF could barely handle turning into a Super Saiyan. The logical consensus here is that he's weaker then he was during the Majin Boo Saga, so pretty damn weak.

Goku Mssj (Boo) =/= Majin Vegeta Mssj (Boo) > Kid Gohan Mssn (CG) > Teen Gohan Mssj (Boo) > Teen Gohan SSj (FnF)

1rst form Freeza trashed him completely. His 4th form is 225x stronger then his 1rst form. So that makes him 225x stronger then he was when he trashed Gohan SSj.

Yet Goku's Base form was capable of fighting him on even grounds.

Additional tidbit:

a) The gap between Vegetto Mssj & Boohan is around a 10x difference, no more. The Nail vs 1rst form Freeza gap is 12x and is depicted as being much larger.

With all of that to work with, I can find a logical answer to this question.

 

[Southern Gothic]

That all looks good for locking in Goku. I'm asking if you have a similar set of numbers and formula to compare to 17. Everything above is DBS related.

 

[kriss-]

As long as you got a pretty reasonable understanding of Dragonball GT, it's not hard to realize that Goku is out-matched here.

Firstly:

Goku Base (Baby Arc) > General Rildo (Base) > Super Boo (Gohan-Absorbed)

And:

Vegetto SSj3 (Boo) > Baby Golden Oozaru > Goku SSj4 (Baby)

Or

Baby Golden Oozaru > Goku SSj4 (Baby) > Vegetto SSj3 (Boo)

Secondly:

S17 (Initial) > Goku Mssj (S17) > Vegeta SSj2 (S17) =/= Super Baby Vegeta 2 > Majuub

And:

S17 (Post-Absorption) =/= Goku SSj4 10x Kamehameha > Goku SSj4 (S17)

Dragonball GT Multipliers

http://www.neoseeker.com/forums/88/t1951294-gt-ssj-multipliers/

So you can use that ^ and work backwards with my chart above.

Goku gets rekt

 

[Pocket-God]

Post Absorption Super 17 solos the DBS Verse(Minus Zeno)

 

[Southern Gothic]

Ah. Swell. I suppose I was caught off guard that the first answer wasn't automatically about wanking Super's god power.

 

[Future Warrior]

I think Base Goku wins. I dont hax the Base Saiyans where they are stronger than SSJ4 Gogeta, but putting him much stronger than SSJ4 Goku is pretty reasonable if you ask me.

 

[kriss-]

Based on feats, Base Goku would undeniably win. However, power-scaling tells a completely different story.

 

[Southern Gothic]

Does anybody base their answer on whether 17 can or cannot absorb ki in this battle?

 

[Future Warrior]

Not really

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

Let's look at this numerically:

Goku (FnF)
-Base 6,000 (50% Power)
-Base 12,000
-Mssj 600,000

Beerus
-Expected 50,000

Vegetto
-Base 100
-Mssj 5,000
-SSj2 10,000
-SSj3 40,000

Feeza (FnF)
-1rst Form 50
-4th Form 11,250

Boohan
-Full Power 500

Goku (Db Super)
-SSj3 400

Ultimate Gohan
-Full Power 300

Gotenks Post
-SSj3 200

Super Boo
-Full Power 200

Goku/Vegeta
-SSj2 100

Teen Gohan (FnF)
-SSj 25

Goku should get trashed. He needs Super Saiyan to win, even then it might be a close fight.

Why do you have Base Vegito = SS2 Goku and Majin Vegeta?

 

[kriss-]

Base Vegito did nothing.

End of discussion.

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

Base Vegito did nothing.

End of discussion.

It's not what he did you jabroni, it's the statement of Goku.

Chapter: 469 (DBZ 275), P6.1-7
Context: after Goku laments that Gohan and Vegeta are dead
Goku: “I coulda used Fusion…”
Dende: “Fusion…! Merging together, right? That’s the specialty art of the people of Planet Metamor!”
Goku: “So you know about it, Dende…! That’s right, some people from Metamor who I met in the afterlife taught me that art…It’s a merging technique which can only be performed if two people are fairly close in both power and body size…In other words, by having two people merge into one, they’re able to become a single, new human with amazing power which either of them on their own absolutely wouldn’t be capable of. It really is incredible! Those two from Metamor were completely weak and gentle on their own, but by using Fusion they transformed into a substantial warrior! [ ] …I was just taught the art, but I ain’t never tested it out…There wasn’t anybody on par with me in the afterlife…”

Therefore, Base Vegito > SS3 Goku

 

[kriss-]

He did nothing in his Base form.

End of discussion.

 

[kriss-]

Actually you know what, bring me one scan where he fights someone stronger then Majin Vegeta in his Base form, or even Radditz.

And I'll kiss your ass.

Deal?

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

Actually you know what, bring me one scan where he fights someone stronger then Majin Vegeta in his Base form, or even Radditz.

And I'll kiss your ass.

Deal?

WTF? Go home you drunk. you

 

[kriss-]

Actually you know what, bring me one scan where he fights someone stronger then Majin Vegeta in his Base form, or even Radditz.

And I'll kiss your ass.

Deal?

WTF? Go home you drunk. you

I'm not drunk at all, I'm completely sober.

I'm making a point.

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

WHat point? I showed an evidence about my argument and you completely ignored it.