Super Boujack + Zangya vs Yamcha (Another World Filler)?

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Could Yamcha win?

 

[Captain Cadaver]

Filler Yamcha is most likely above SPC given Kaio's comments on he and Kuririn being the last line of defence as opposed to Paikuhan. Even if lowballing him due to questionable aspects of Paikuhan's power, he'd still most likely be above Boo Arc SSJ Goku at the least, which should still be enough to win when M9 SSJ Gohan could temporarily put up a fight against Bojack and his 3 henchmen.

 

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Filler Yamcha is most likely above SPC given Kaio's comments on he and Kuririn being the last line of defence as opposed to Paikuhan. Even if lowballing him due to questionable aspects of Paikuhan's power, he'd still most likely be above Boo Arc SSJ Goku at the least, which should still be enough to win when M9 SSJ Gohan could temporarily put up a fight against Bojack and his 3 henchmen.

Do you have Yamcha (Other World) stronger than SPC?

If so, would you have Goku and Majin Vegeta SSJ2 multiple times more powerful than SPC?

 

[Captain Cadaver]

Do you have Yamcha (Other World) stronger than SPC?

Yes.

If so, would you have Goku and Majin Vegeta SSJ2 multiple times more powerful than SPC?

Anime-wise, possibly, though it depends how much you believe Paikuhan's Blazing Shoot factored into his victory as opposed to his base power. I'd say the Paikuhan in general > SPC route does have some credibility though when considering Base Gohan could put up a fight against a Dabura that had heightened his Ki further than the one already comparable to Cell.

 

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Do you have Yamcha (Other World) stronger than SPC?

Yes.

If so, would you have Goku and Majin Vegeta SSJ2 multiple times more powerful than SPC?

Anime-wise, possibly, though it depends how much you believe Paikuhan's Blazing Shoot factored into his victory as opposed to his base power. I'd say the Paikuhan in general > SPC route does have some credibility though when considering Base Gohan could put up a fight against a Dabura that had heightened his Ki further than the one already comparable to Cell.

So Goku, Vegeta and Gohan in TB25 were monstrously more powerful than before.

Goku and Vegeta Base (Pre Majin) are more powerful than SPC? If so, are Goku and Majin Vegeta SSJ2 like 200x SPC? Kid Gohan enraged against Cell at the end of the fight, must he have had a boost of 160x?

 

[Captain Cadaver]

So Goku, Vegeta and Gohan in TB25 were monstrously more powerful than before.

It's possible. Gohan went through enough power boosts in the anime version of the beam struggle with Cell that there's ample room for a large gap between his pre and post-beam struggle self, as well as the scene being extended enough that characters would have no reason not to use the latter as the highest benchmark.

Goku and Vegeta Base (Pre Majin) are more powerful than SPC? If so, are Goku and Majin Vegeta SSJ2 like 200x SPC? Kid Gohan enraged against Cell at the end of the fight, must he have had a boost of 160x?

It needn't be that colossal, seeing as the Toei continuity treats the multipliers of SSJ forms purely plot dependent. The only gaps we know of for a baseline are the Kiri readings, and we don't even have a good idea of how to quantify Ki into Kiri (if even possible).

 

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Do you have Yamcha (Other World) stronger than SPC?

Yes.

If so, would you have Goku and Majin Vegeta SSJ2 multiple times more powerful than SPC?

Anime-wise, possibly, though it depends how much you believe Paikuhan's Blazing Shoot factored into his victory as opposed to his base power. I'd say the Paikuhan in general > SPC route does have some credibility though when considering Base Gohan could put up a fight against a Dabura that had heightened his Ki further than the one already comparable to Cell.

I was thinking that maybe having Goku and Vegeta SSJ on SPC and Kid / Ten Gohan SSJ2 is a possibility since maybe Pikon's Blazing Shoot uses all his power in that simple attack regardless of whether he has his Heavy Clothes or not.

I don't think Yakon is as strong as SPC?

Do you think it's okay:

Goku SSJ2 (Boo)> Kid Gohan SSJ2 (Final Blast)> Vegeta SSJ2 (Pre Majin) >>>>>>> Vegeta SSJ (Pre Majin)> Dabura (FP)> Pikon (Vs Goku) = Pikon Weighted (Blazing Shoot )> Goku MSSJ (Vs Pikon) = Dabura (Suppressed against Gohan)> SPC ~ Kid Gohan SSJ2 = Teen Gohan SSJ2?

 

[Captain Cadaver]

Dabura and SS2 Gohan would still be above SSJ Goku/Vegeta with Dabura declaring even a 4000 kiri warrior would be no match for him. As far as comparing which form of the Saiyans compares to Cell in the anime, it's honestly anyone's guess with no right or wrong answer due to the very questionable elements of the filler material and potential explanations against it being so clear cut.

 

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Dabura and SS2 Gohan would still be above SSJ Goku/Vegeta with Dabura declaring even a 4000 kiri warrior would be no match for him. As far as comparing which form of the Saiyans compares to Cell in the anime, it's honestly anyone's guess with no right or wrong answer due to the very questionable elements of the filler material and potential explanations against it being so clear cut.

I understand, so which route are you going? I think I'm going for:

Goku SSJ2 (Boo)> Kid Gohan SSJ2 (Final Blast)> Pikon Weighted (Blazing Shoot)> = Vegeta SSJ2 (Pre Majin)> Dabura (FP)> Dabura (Suppressed against Gohan) = SPC ~ Kid Gohan SSJ2> Teen Gohan SSJ2 .

Maybe it was a network with the whole Blazing Shoot theme or you can just use it once.

 

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I have a theory [mention]Captain Cadaver[/mention] , maybe indeed the Blazing Shoot is a really powerful special attack and it doesn't change its power much if it is Weighted or not. I have Pikkon making the same earnings as Goku, therefore I have Pikkon (Arc Boo) close to Perfect Cell and I have Krillin and Yamcha a little stronger than that level.

Although the Blazing Shoot of Pikon can overcome the power of Yamcha and Krillin, the latter 2 are still better options, since if they make a Fusion, they would have a greater power than if they merge with Pikkon, since Yamcha and Krillin they have a power greater than Pikkon. For example, it is a better option for Vegeta and Future Trunks Pre Rosat to merge, than a fusion between Vegeta and Tenshinhan, even though the latter has the Shin Kikoho.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

Kuririn and Yamcha being able to perform the fusion is arguable at best from them only observing it and still has the chance of it failing. Meanwhile, Paikuhan's Blazing Shoot doesn't seem to require much effort to be used, so he'd still be treat as the better choice if its power indeed surpassed theirs.

 

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Kuririn and Yamcha being able to perform the fusion is arguable at best from them only observing it and still has the chance of it failing. Meanwhile, Paikuhan's Blazing Shoot doesn't seem to require much effort to be used, so he'd still be treat as the better choice if its power indeed surpassed theirs.

I'm a bit confused then, since Gohan SSJ2 (vs Dabura) is at the best of Kid Gohan SSJ2 level. That is superior to Goku SSJ (Boo).

Do you think the possibility that Goku MSSJ kept the invisible Kaioken after showing it in the fight against Pikkon? If so, it would help us understand how Goku managed to be in the same league as someone who defeated SPC easily.

Or maybe SPC used the same% that he used when he faced Goku in the CG, with the difference that in that Fill he was SPC, so he had enough power to defeat Goku easily. Still a far cry from his full power.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

I'm a bit confused then, since Gohan SSJ2 (vs Dabura) is at the best of Kid Gohan SSJ2 level. That is superior to Goku SSJ (Boo).

Then that'd just mean SS2 Gohan (beam struggle) >> SS2 Gohan (Boo Arc) >/>> SS2 Gohan Cell Games, initial) for the anime if wanting to fit all the power implications in.

Do you think the possibility that Goku MSSJ kept the invisible Kaioken after showing it in the fight against Pikkon? If so, it would help us understand how Goku managed to be in the same league as someone who defeated SPC easily.

No, since that's not how Kaioken works and it's not as though Paikuhan need be close in power to Super Kaioken Goku to endure his hit when we've seen naturally durable characters take a lot of damage from vastly stronger foes (eg. Vegeta's durability against Pure Boo). If wanting to have Paikuhan in general above Cell, all that means is Goku got a Toei hax.

Or maybe SPC used the same% that he used when he faced Goku in the CG, with the difference that in that Fill he was SPC, so he had enough power to defeat Goku easily. Still a far cry from his full power.

Goku was aware of Cell's true power and still exclaimed to Kaio without reservation how amazing Paikuhan was in easily beating Cell, so it's very unlikely Cell was suppressed.

 

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I saw the fight between Goku MSSJ vs Pikkon and I realized that the only reason why the latter did not use the Blazing Shoot was because he thought that with the Thunder Flash Attack he was going to defeat Goku.

Kaiosama has not seen Pikkon use the Blazing Shoot, therefore he believes that Pikkon's best technique is the Thunder Flash Attack.

So Krillin and Yamcha in the Otherworldly Fill should be or have more powerful attacks (in case the Kamehameha and Sokidan are still amplifiers) than Pikkon's Thunder Flash Attack from the Arc Boo.

If we go in Movie 12, it is most likely that Goku and Pikkon increased their power in the same way, so Krillin and Yamcha must be at least at the Perfect Cell (FP) level.