Super Perfect Cell vs Beerus

[kriss-]

Well you're wrong there.

Cell loses.

oh meng

u completely owned me

ur counter-evidence was just too much to counter 1 1 1

Everybody has improved since the early Android Saga, so it's illogical that Cell would be able to keep up with any of them. Especially if we are discussing where they presently at. He has a bit of everybody's DNA inside of him, but that DNA isn't anywhere near as effective as it would presently be.

Cell gets owned.
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[Uchiha]

I don't think you understand what DNA means

 

[kriss-]

I don't think you understand what DNA means

Explain.

Because Imperfect Cell's Kamehameha was ineffective because it was based on an obsolete version in comparison to where Goku's Kamehameha was presently at. Like-wise, this would essentially be the same for every other fighter, but to a much greater degree now because they have come so much further.

Cell would be too hindered by how outdated his abilities are to keep up with someone like current Goku or Beerus.

 

[Uchiha]

For your last post, Cell can improve. If he stayed the same he wouldn't be able to keep up. However, he could get on Beerus' radar and surpass SSB Goku if he trained for four months. IPC was incomplete, so it's no surprise that his KHH wasn't up to par.

DNA is a set of molecules that has the entire make up for an organism. Only 2% of that base is used for unique coding. Cell is given that 2% base to be uniquely coded to be better than Freeza. That tiny fraction includes everything good about Freeza, including his ability to make ridiculous gains in a short period of time. When you say "part of his DNA" that makes no sense and seems to just be a layman's interpretation of what DNA means. He's given the best unique qualities sure. But it's not like you do less well because you've only taken the best parts. Freeza's training ability would be part of "best parts", and the coding transfer wouldn't lose any number of months needed for training or anything like that. In fact, a good scientist like Gero would be able to reduce the number of months by observing the DNA pattern that Freeza has and improve on it. There's a reason Gero believed Cell was a perfect being over Freeza.

Outside of just DNA you can just apply common sense. Would PC only get a partial Zenkai? Obviously not. Cell unlocked SSJ2 from a single Zenkai. It took years for the person with the most potential to do that.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

Well you're wrong there.

Cell loses.

oh meng

u completely owned me

ur counter-evidence was just too much to counter 1 1 1

Everybody has improved since the early Android Saga, so it's illogical that Cell would be able to keep up with any of them. Especially if we are discussing where they presently at. He has a bit of everybody's DNA inside of him, but that DNA isn't anywhere near as effective as it would presently be.

Cell gets owned.
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That doesn't mean anything.

Dr. Gero stopped spying on them before the Freeza Saga, yet Android #17 & #18 still ended-up a-lot higher than even the Super-Saiyans. Try again please.

 

[kriss-]

Your first paragraph heavily relies on 'what ifs'; things that are impossible to prove unless it actually happens.

Cell received a power-boost from bearing near death. Goku received a 33x power-boost on Namek. What does that tell you?

 

[Fantastische Hure]

Your first paragraph heavily relies on 'what ifs'; things that are impossible to prove unless it actually happens.

Cell received a power-boost from bearing near death. Goku received a 33x power-boost on Namek. What does that tell you?

That tells me there's none of that portion stuff you talked about. 1 1 1

 

[kriss-]

what?

 

[Fantastische Hure]

What a great debater you are.

 

[Uchiha]

Your first paragraph heavily relies on 'what ifs'; things that are impossible to prove unless it actually happens.

Cell received a power-boost from bearing near death. Goku received a 33x power-boost on Namek. What does that tell you?

That goes both ways though. You can't disprove it either. All we can do it provide evidence, and I've done more that enough to balance the evidence to my side. I admit that I may be wrong, but the evidence seems to be in my favor.

The power scaling isn't the point and isn't a good way to come to conclusions. The point is the unlocking of SSJ2 within a short period, something which no other character but Cell managed to do.

 

[kriss-]

Your first paragraph heavily relies on 'what ifs'; things that are impossible to prove unless it actually happens.

Cell received a power-boost from bearing near death. Goku received a 33x power-boost on Namek. What does that tell you?

That goes both ways though. You can't disprove it either. All we can do it provide evidence, and I've done more that enough to balance the evidence to my side. I admit that I may be wrong, but the evidence seems to be in my favor.

The power scaling isn't the point and isn't a good way to come to conclusions. The point is the unlocking of SSJ2 within a short period, something which no other character but Cell managed to do.

How? You are speaking in the context of hypotheticals, how does that hold any weight?

Cell got it from a Zenkai and not from his own hard work and determination. It holds no relevancy in determining what he is actually capable of. Think of it as luck as opposed to anything else.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

Your first paragraph heavily relies on 'what ifs'; things that are impossible to prove unless it actually happens.

Cell received a power-boost from bearing near death. Goku received a 33x power-boost on Namek. What does that tell you?

That goes both ways though. You can't disprove it either. All we can do it provide evidence, and I've done more that enough to balance the evidence to my side. I admit that I may be wrong, but the evidence seems to be in my favor.

The power scaling isn't the point and isn't a good way to come to conclusions. The point is the unlocking of SSJ2 within a short period, something which no other character but Cell managed to do.

How? You are speaking in the context of hypotheticals, how does that hold any weight?

Cell got it from a Zenkai and not from his own hard work and determination. It holds no relevancy in determining what he is actually capable of. Think of it as luck as opposed to anything else.

His Zenkai shows he's got some potential. 1 1 1

Sometimes you write stuff, I wonder wheter you even believe it yourself.

 

[kriss-]

Even in Cell's perfect form, he is essentially capped out in potential. That was the purpose of his perfect form. The only way for him to continue to improve would be to utilize Zenkais, but even those have limits.

Kid Gohan SSj2 comparing to Ultimate Gohan.
Piccolo comparing to current Piccolo.
Goku Mssj comparing to Goku Super Saiyan God Blue.
Organic Freeza is comparison to Golden Freeza

He just doesn't have it inside himself to keep up with them anymore. He's irrelevant and would still be hindered by his own capabilities because everything that he is comprised of is essentially an outdated version of the thing that came before it. Unless Gero came back and performed an update of sorts, he wouldn't really go anywhere.

A Zenkai shouldn't be confused with potential. That's irrelevant. If that were true then Gohan should have received a Zenkai when Innocent Boo nearly killed him because he still had a-lot of room to improve due to his potential.

Do not confuse the two.

Sometimes I wonder if you even understand the series you debate about. @2kewl4u

 

[Uchiha]

Your first paragraph heavily relies on 'what ifs'; things that are impossible to prove unless it actually happens.

Cell received a power-boost from bearing near death. Goku received a 33x power-boost on Namek. What does that tell you?

That goes both ways though. You can't disprove it either. All we can do it provide evidence, and I've done more that enough to balance the evidence to my side. I admit that I may be wrong, but the evidence seems to be in my favor.

The power scaling isn't the point and isn't a good way to come to conclusions. The point is the unlocking of SSJ2 within a short period, something which no other character but Cell managed to do.

How? You are speaking in the context of hypotheticals, how does that hold any weight?

Cell got it from a Zenkai and not from his own hard work and determination. It holds no relevancy in determining what he is actually capable of. Think of it as luck as opposed to anything else.

Because you're also speaking in hypotheticals when you say he has no chance without training. We've never seen Cell train so it's up in the air whether he could win or not.

And Tenshihan did hard work too, yet Gohan surpassed over 20 years of training within less than year because of his superior genes. Luck has nothing to do with it apart from the fact that he was lucky that Gero was his creator and smartly picking the best attributes from the best fighters.

 

[kriss-]

I responded above.

 

[Uchiha]

Cell didn't cap out. You just made that up. He reached PC and didn't do anything after that because he assumed nobody had a chance. Obviously he can't keep up anymore - that's called being dead.

The Daiz says zenkais lose their power after SSJ. Cell has no such restriction. Once again, my point is unlocking SSJ2. Zenkais are not a magic SSJ2 unlocker.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

t0sh doesn't understand the easiest of things

 

[kriss-]

t0sh doesn't understand the easiest of things

If you can't contribute to this debate can you kindly fuck off?

Cell didn't cap out. You just made that up. He reached PC and didn't do anything after that because he assumed nobody had a chance. Obviously he can't keep up anymore - that's called being dead.

The Daiz says zenkais lose their power after SSJ. Cell has no such restriction. Once again, my point is unlocking SSJ2. Zenkais are not a magic SSJ2 unlocker.

The Daiz says a lot of contradictory things. Hence why I do not typically follow it.

Regardless of how you feel about Cell unlocking his own version of Super Saiyan 2 -which is essentially exclusive to him because he is comprised of different material, it doesn't change the fact that what he is comprised of is also out-dated, even in his Perfect form. It would be impossible for him to keep up with the newer characters based solely on how much further they have progressed, whereas everything that Cell is capable of is determined from the DNA inside of him. Which is only relevant up until the Cell Games.

 

[Uchiha]

This isn't going anywhere, I'm just gonna disagree. On the last point I'll just say you're saying that he can't improve despite him being made up of the best improvers of the series barring Hit. He's organic, not mechanic.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

@Uchiha, @Tosh is revenge-repping me.

Formal-warning maybe? 1 1 1