Super Saiyan is 50x

FeatsofPower

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I've come full circle. There's just no escaping the 50x multiplier. It's just too big, even the author has to admit it, even though he pictured it as 10x. There's too much universal logic behind it, there's no other way.

Super Saiyan is essentially a transformation that is "Beyond Kaioken". Just think, even in Super, Kaioken is limited to 20x. Why? Surely with Goku's level of strength, he could do Kaioken x100 or perhaps even 1,000.

Why do they limit Kaioken to 20x? Because they respect that Super Saiyan multiplier. Super Saiyan is and always will be a superior ability to Max Kaioken.

It doesn't make sense to make Piccolo and the Humans > Base Saiyans, even if I use a little workaround to make the Base Saiyans to be able to access Super Saiyan power.

Gero's implications just have to be wrong, it is what it is. There's no point in trying to make them work, the system is imperfect.

And the biggest thing that got me changed is this.

Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan. It clearly is using the term Super Saiyan to imply a Super Saiyan God turning Super Saiyan. Super Saiyan Blue is 50x Super Saiyan God. We don't have to like the bloating, we just gotta accept it.

Imagine if a Super Saiyan God used Kaioken x20 and was somehow way stronger than Super Saiyan Blue? It would make no sense at all. The entire narrative points us to Super Saiyan > Max Kaioken. It's about time I put this rest. I've been trying every which way, this is the proper way.
 

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x20 is just Kaio-Ken’s limit dawg. It has nothing to do with SSJ.

SSJG can’t even use Kaio-Ken, so it’s irrelevant. You’re just building your own narrative here man. I don’t think you can just handwave Gero’s calculations like that.
 

FeatsofPower

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x20 is just Kaio-Ken’s limit dawg. It has nothing to do with SSJ.
Why did the authors choose to limit it there?
SSJG can’t even use Kaio-Ken, so it’s irrelevant. You’re just building your own narrative here man. I don’t think you can just handwave Gero’s calculations like that.
It's a superior narrative to "they just got forgot about Kaioken bruh"
 

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I've come full circle. There's just no escaping the 50x multiplier. It's just too big, even the author has to admit it, even though he pictured it as 10x. There's too much universal logic behind it, there's no other way.

Super Saiyan is essentially a transformation that is "Beyond Kaioken". Just think, even in Super, Kaioken is limited to 20x. Why? Surely with Goku's level of strength, he could do Kaioken x100 or perhaps even 1,000.

Why do they limit Kaioken to 20x? Because they respect that Super Saiyan multiplier. Super Saiyan is and always will be a superior ability to Max Kaioken.

It doesn't make sense to make Piccolo and the Humans > Base Saiyans, even if I use a little workaround to make the Base Saiyans to be able to access Super Saiyan power.

Gero's implications just have to be wrong, it is what it is. There's no point in trying to make them work, the system is imperfect.

And the biggest thing that got me changed is this.

Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan. It clearly is using the term Super Saiyan to imply a Super Saiyan God turning Super Saiyan. Super Saiyan Blue is 50x Super Saiyan God. We don't have to like the bloating, we just gotta accept it.

Imagine if a Super Saiyan God used Kaioken x20 and was somehow way stronger than Super Saiyan Blue? It would make no sense at all. The entire narrative points us to Super Saiyan > Max Kaioken. It's about time I put this rest. I've been trying every which way, this is the proper way.
What do you think about THIS approach?
 

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I think the Grade forms might be closer to addition at least since diminishing returns should be a thing with it. Gaining 200 pounds of muscle isn’t as much of a big deal when you’re stronger.
 

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I think the Grade forms might be closer to addition at least since diminishing returns should be a thing with it. Gaining 200 pounds of muscle isn’t as much of a big deal when you’re stronger.
Grade 3 Trunks would like to have a word with you.
 

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Gero was literally always fucking wrong, I see no issue with him being wrong just one more time.
 

Natasha Romanoff

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Gero was literally always fucking wrong, I see no issue with him being wrong just one more time.
He wasn't wrong when he said that Android 16 would kill them all. Either way, it's not a reliable character.
 

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I'm open to using the official multipliers universally, while also acknowledging that storyline battles may not always reflect the sheer magnitude of massive power differences.

The Frieza Saga is when the series really popped off with insane jumps in power, and they never looked back ever since. Not surprising that numerical power measurements mostly died out after that.
 
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