SuperSaiyan2's Battle Powers

[p123]

The anime shows Krillen training at Roshi's house right before Freeza shows up for what it's worth.

 

[SSJ2]

Filler tho

 

[p123]

True it is filler but seems quite appropriate. No reason for Krillen not to train, same goes for Tien and Yamcha. They may not train like animals like Piccolo and Vegeta, but some increase could be warranted.

 

[SSJ2]

I have him training and making gains, just not as significant as those of Tenshinhan who gets to train in 10x gravity.

 

[SSJ2]

Added a bunch of new stuff. Feedback would be appreciated.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

where's imperfect-cell???

 

[Six Trails]

I think Piccolo is too close to the Super Saiyans in the Android arc.

 

[p123]

One thing I never liked after reading Dragonball was Roshi's 139 rating. It is so ridiculous it's insane. For Roshi to be anywhere near this level, is absolutely absurd.

The 23rd Budokai showcased powers that GREATLY surpassed Roshi's power at the 22nd Budokai, which likely wasn't greatly inferior to his prime power.

Yajirobe and Chaozu are even vastly superior to Roshi as well.

Krillen and Yamcha in the BOZ are most likely a solid amount superior to freaking King Piccolo at the pinnacle of his power. For Roshi to be close to this level at all, is absurd.

Not many people are familiar with the power structure of Dragonball, so they don't realize how insane this is, but this DB's version of Humans vs Freeza. It's just not supposed to happen.

 

[SSJ2]

Oh yeah, Roshi should be like a 1 on my list. I just put the stated numbers on there just to put them on.

 

[p123]

Ah ok, just figured I'd bitch about it because otherwise your list is pretty much flawless. I would say that you should incorporate this chain...


Piccolo Suppressed ~ Gohan + Tien + Krillen

The three of the need to combine to match Piccolo's suppressed power, which is stated to be nothing by Piccolo himself.

 

[SSJ2]

Yeah, this list is basically assuming that DB does not exist.

I was forced to put the humans and Gohan pretty close to Piccolo so that the four of their powers would allow Gero to enter combat with Vegeta. I still have suppressed Piccolo < Base Saiyans.

 

[p123]

Well if anything is accurate, I'd say his calculations on the weaker fighters are better.

Piccolo ( Suppressed ) ~ Gohan + Krillen + Tien

Seems more accurate than


Gero + Piccolo ( Again ) or Gohan + Krillen + Tien > Vegeta

Vegeta even laughs off the idea of Piccolo being absorbed again being a threat for him.

Two comments from Piccolo and Vegeta suggesting Gero's statement is out of bounds.

 

[SSJ2]

Going to make a separate topic. This is a big issue imo

 

[p123]

Does Tien really need to be 1.5x the Saibaman?

 

[SSJ2]

He doesn't need to be, but he did stomp the shit out of it.

 

[p123]

Tien puts full effort into his first attack which hurts the Saibaman but the Saibaman is able to bounce back from it rather quickly. His land on the chin definitely rocks the Saibaman badly, giving him a flash KO.

I don't know. This gap looks more like 1.33x to me more than 1.5x imo.

 

[ahill]

I think Piccolo is too close to the Super Saiyans in the Androids arc. I'd have Piccolo at 75~80% of Vegeta's power.

 

[SSJ2]

Tien puts full effort into his first attack which hurts the Saibaman but the Saibaman is able to bounce back from it rather quickly. His land on the chin definitely rocks the Saibaman badly, giving him a flash KO.

I don't know. This gap looks more like 1.33x to me more than 1.5x imo.

Agreed. Will lower.

I think Piccolo is too close to the Super Saiyans in the Androids arc. I'd have Piccolo at 75~80% of Vegeta's power.

Will lower to 80%, I've always liked Piccolo at 80. Didn't realize I had him so high.

 

[Six Trails]

I feel there's a clear distinction between the Super Saiyans and Piccolo. 80% can work, I suppose, though I'd be more comfortable with 66%-72%.

 

[p123]

If Piccolox2= 17, then the distance between Piccolo and Vegeta is pretty important.

I generally feel like this feels accurate.

Vegeta 100
Goku 95
Trunks 86
Piccolo 70

Something of that nature. But when you start trying to fit the Androids in, it becomes difficult. 19 and 20 cause a lot of issues, one of the hardest chains to do in DBZ for sure.