The reactions are evidence for different levels of power, and 'certain' degrees of power.
This is equal speculation. Are base Gotenks and Super Saiyan Gotenks in the same realm of power because Piccolo reacted similarly to them?
This statement is made prior to Goku knowing about the full extent of Goten & Trunks' Chi, so he cannot accurately gauge how powerful they will become. Here is a contradictory statement to the one above. Goku hadn't had the chance to properly gauge their full power. Therefore it's a logical fallacy that he would be able to determine them being powerful enough to defeat Fat Boo. Even after he asks them to power up to full power, he's still uncertain if they are truly at their max strength. This basically says that Goku doesn't truly know how powerful they are up until this point.
Goku has seen them fight, he knows the extent of their power. Maybe not the exact amount, but enough that he's willing to assure Piccolo of their victory. The only thing that surprised him was Goten being a little bit weaker. He double checks that they're at max because the binary option max or not max is important - it's easy to go full power and they aren't going to forget that.
Plus, if we're talking about things not being redacted, Goku never redacts what he said to Piccolo after witnessing their full power. It's still valid, by your own logic.
Additionally, if you truly believe Goku can gauge the powers of the Metamoran people and the sum of the product, and than accurately determine exactly how powerful Gotenks' would be -with a technique he's never tried out before, prior to even seeing the full Chi of Goten & Trunks, than you are forced to believe that Piccolo can accurately determine how strong Gotenks 'should' become by turning Super Saiyan. Yet it creates a logical fallacy when he -in a desperate sense, asks them to train as much as the can for the fight.
Desperate? No. Angry. Yes, at Gotenks for being arrogant. And no, it does not create a fallacy, not more than Krillin thinking Gotenks can beat Super Boo creates any kind of fallacy. It all comes down to personality - Piccolo never took what Goku said for granted about Gohan during the Cell Games, and he's no different now. Just as he has no reason to believe that Gotenks is slow, he wants a demonstration anyway, because that's just the way that Piccolo is. He doesn't count his eggs until they've hatched - which is why his decision to let weakling Gotenks take a nap instead of train desperately is way out of character. Unless, of course, Gotenks is stronger than Fat Boo.
The RoSaT was still an option, after, they learned to fuse. There just wasn't a need to use it pronto because Majin Boo cannot sense Chi.
One that Piccolo never intended to use before Super Boo's appearance. He intended to have Gotenks take a nap to recover his strength, (something he commented on after Gotenks showed off) then he was about to have Gotenks finish off Boo.
He says fusion hasn't been enough 'yet'. Meaning it hasn't been enough the entire time.
The sentence likely isn't proper English, but the intent is clear, and it's the same as what the line from Herms says.
Piccolo: “Can’t you tell…?! As they are now, even if they perform Fusion they can’t win, no doubt about it…! Tell them that if they don’t want to die while they’re still just little brats, then they should train as much as they can…!”
It's just rephrased into once sentence rather than two.
Besides, it's pretty hypocritical of you to hide behind Viz when you won't accept my evidence from Viz, that the word "perfect" has no particular meaning, as equally valid. Herms does straight-up contradict your (incorrect) interpretation of the line from Viz. Piccolo says nothing whatsoever about fusion's standing before.
There was still time remaining. After practicing fusion and performing fusion, of course they need time to rest.
Not the first time, the time that he came back beaten to a pulp.
Toriyama intended the new material as continuations of the original Manga. It doesn't change what happened, it merely rehashes his original thoughts. This includes the power chains and whose stronger than who, et cetera.
Please don't put words into the authors mouth.
I'm not putting words in anyone's mouth. Toriyama himself that he doesn't care about consistency. Whether it's intended as a continuation to the manga is irrelevant; he doesn't worry about there being consistency between them.
http://www.kanzenshuu.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=27729&start=26420#p923038
Super Boo affirms himself as superior to the boys. It's all subjective so both interpretations are valid. Please don't act like yours is the only valid one.
Could you please stop with the "don't act like yours..." crap? You're doing the exact same thing. Attempting to take the moral high ground or whatever is not going to make you any more right. Super Boo does not affirm himself as superior to the boys, he affirms himself as inferior to Gohan.
Piccolo is only concerned when Super Boo forces their hand. He doesn't immediately send the boys in until Boo show that he can locate Chi.
No. I'm pretty sure he's concerned well before then. He and Dende both are extremely worried about the latest development with Boo, despite, according to you, his power barely increasing at all, and Piccolo planning to use RoSaT.
Goku calls his Ki/Strength a lie. So there goes your interpretation.
Not this again. I'm pretty sure I've said this many times before, but sensing Boo's ki has never been shown to be a difficult task. It's judging his full power that's hard. When Gohan, Dabra, and Vegeta said that Boo wasn't much of a threat, they were basing that on the amount of ki he was displaying at the time - and we're given no reason to believe that they were incorrect about that. What they didn't anticipate was Boo powering up. The fact that they did not consider that he could have been suppressed is the problem.
With other fighters, Cell in particular, Korin, Krillin, Goku and others were able get a read on his full power without actually witnessing it. Boo isn't like that; whatever power he happens to be using at the time feels like his full power so it's impossible to predict how much he'll power up.
"Both interpretations are valid. Please don't act like yours is the only valid one."
Assuming Goku is talking about his Ki size when no evidence supports the notion -but evidence supports the contrary, is conjecture.
No it's not. Goku is confident about his chances against this new Boo, and I don't recall Goku ever judging his chances in a fight based on appearance alone. Certainly not in Boo's case.
Goku DID judge Kaioshin based on his appearance.
Chapter: 283 (DBZ 89), P11.1-3
Ginyu: "In my estimation, his ability looks like it's about 60,000."
Ginyu is able to estimate Goku's power, but he's not basing it on his appearance. To him, Goku looks like a pathetic saiyan. He judges Goku based on the way he stands, the way he moves, his focus, his "presence" etc. That's what Goku is doing to the Elder Kaioshin; his stance is poor, he looks half asleep and he (unlike the younger Kaioshin) has no real power at all. But... Goku doesn't even dismiss him based on that. He still gives him the benefit of the doubt because Goku knows that sometimes strong fighters look pathetic.
Goku doesn't say his Chi decreased. Therefore the only logical conclusion is that he's judging his power based upon his appearance.
What? This is what he said:
Goku: “We did it! This way, we might be able to manage something.”
Implying that they couldn't have managed anything before (against Buff or Super Boo) and now they can. Since Goku has been reading Boo's ki all throughout his transformations, he has no need to say that.
This particular train of thought coincides with yet another Toriyama interview, where he purposely makes the skinnier characters stronger than the bigger ones.
Super Boo is not excluded to this rule.
Another weak line of defense. Unless Gray Boo is the ultimate power.
Plus, Gotenks shouldn't be excluded from that rule either
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You can't make up things that aren't there, and expect people to follow through with them. They are simply your ideas, and nobody has to listen to them.
Great advice. Maybe you should take it when you say things like this:
Super Boo's Chi increase to Buff Boo was more noticable to the characters than Buff Boo's transformation into Kid Boo.
Which is based on a lack of evidence rather than a presence of any.
He explicitly states it should never be used. So he definitely has a problem with it.
Slow down there. He explicitly states that as a dead person, he should never use it in the living world. He never says anything about being alive and using it in the living world.
Additionally, it's why Toriyama purposely wrote the line 'this Majin Boo can now sense our Chi', because it also means that they don't have any time for training.
Whether that's worrying when Fat Boo was the enemy something you've completely failed to prove.
Potential means nothing unless you do something about it.
Like getting it drawn out way beyond its limits?
While inside Super Boo's body Goku says with the Potara 'this kind of guy would be an easy victory'; therefore, beating him any other way is a difficult victory. Old Kaioshin already affirmed Goku as superior to every Boo besides Bootenks
This is the perfect example of you making a huge leap in logic. Vegetto being able to beat Boo easily does not, in the least, imply that every other method would be difficult, or if any other method would even be possible.
Imagine if I were falling from airplane. If I thought "If I had a parachute, surviving this would be easy", I would be correct. You would take that to mean that I could survive in another way, but it would be difficult. In reality, I'm fucked unless I have the parachute, just as Goku is fucked unless he merges or fuses.
Goku says Vegetto can defeat Boo easily, this means that Vegetto can defeat Boo easily. Literally nothing else.
It's another way of saying he could beat any other particular version that came before-hand.
Another huge leap in logic and a misrepresentation of what he said.
Elder Kaioshin: “I hate to say it, but I don’t think you could win against this current Majin Boo even if the two of you went at him together…”
I guess the inclusion of Gohan in that statement is just a little bit too inconvenient for you to mention.
Gotenks-Boo > Gohan and Goku > Super Boo
That's all we got.
Piccolo says that if each individual product gets a 'little stronger, it will be more effective when they fuse', is simply another way of saying, 'Goten & Trunks + 1 = Gotenks +2'. Therefore, fusion does scale linearly.
No it does not.
If it's nonlinear, i.e. Goten * Trunks and whatever else, the statement also holds true. You're evaluation is correct, but it is not the only correct one, and such does not prove that fusion is linear. Fusion could have a linear and a nonlinear part, it could have a logarithmic part, it could have a modulus part, it could be have any number of things.
As for the "Pure Boo is small, so he's strongest" argument. Does that make him stronger than Gotenks and Gohan-Boo as well?
I don't see any reason to continue this "debate" (very respectful of me to put it in quotes, eh?) either when you make enormous leaps in logic like almost everything in your entire post.
