t0sh's Ultimate Db Super Power Levels Breakdown

[kriss-]

Goku fights Beerus on King Kai's planet and makes an estimation of Beerus' true power -which turns out to be less than 10% of his actual full power, and claims that it's superior to Vegetto Ssj3.

Beerus 10% > Beerus 5% (Guess) > Vegetto Super Saiyan 3 (BoG + Db Super)

Goku & Vegeta are implied the strongest in Battle of Gods & Db Super due to multiple statements and feats. Thus, the difference between Goku Ssj3 & Ultimate Gohan -in the Majin Boo Saga, is the same difference of Vegetto (Db Super) versus Vegetto (Majin Boo Saga)

Beerus 10% > Beerus 5% > Vegetto Ssj3 (Db Super) > Vegetto Ssj3 (Boo Saga)

Vegeta becomes enraged and forces Beerus to use 10%. He put's up a decent fight, bloodies Beerus, catches him off guard several times and even fights back.

Beerus 10%> Raging Vegeta Ssj2 > Beerus 5% > Vegetto Ssj3 (Db Super) > Vegetto Ssj3 (Boo Saga)

Goku attempts the SSJG ritual and is quoted as the strongest Chi ever sensed up until that point. The previous Chi that was able to be sensed was Vegeta -with the exclusion of 10% Beerus because gods cannot be sensed. With that we get:

Beerus 10% > Goku (Failed SSJG Ritual) > Raging Vegeta Ssj2 > Beerus 5% > Vegetto Ssj3 (Db Super) > Vegetto Ssj3 (Boo Saga)

Goku finally becomes a Super Saiyan God and long surpasses his expectations of Beerus by a long shot and his own of Vegetto. He states this multiple times in Battle of Gods & Dragonball Super. Multiple statements are true until contradicted -they aren't.

Goku SSJG (Initial) > Beerus 10% > Goku(Failed SSJG Ritual) > Raging Vegeta Ssj2 > Beerus 5% > Vegetto Ssj3 (Db Super) > Vegetto Ssj3 (Boo Saga)

Goku is unable to touch Beerus and doesn't stand a chance -even as a Saiyan God. However, we learn he is still trying to control his Chi and is gradually getting stronger.

Goku SSJG (Powering Up) > Goku SSJG (Initial) > Beerus 10% > Goku (Failed SSJG Ritual) > Raging Vegeta Ssj2 > Beerus 5% > Vegetto Ssj3 (Db Super) > Vegetto Ssj3 (Boo Saga)

Goku doesn't really stand a chance still and continues to get horribly destroyed. He presumably powers up to his full power -which I determine is 80% of his SSJG powers in comparison to Battle of Gods, but it still isn't sufficient to defeat Beerus, whom easily defeats him.

Goku SSJG (Full Power) > Goku SSJG (Powering Up) > Goku SSJG (Initial) > Beerus 10% > Goku (Failed SSJG Ritual) > Raging Vegeta Ssj2 > Beerus 5% > Vegetto Ssj3 (Db Super) > Vegetto Ssj3 (Boo Saga)

Goku says that Beerus' power has still surpassed all his expectations and he is stronger than he ever imagined. Meaning all of the previous displayed power is meaningless to Beerus' full power. Goku presumably does a final power up and receives a Zenkai.

Beerus > Goku SSJG (Zenkai) > Goku SSJG (Full Power) > Goku SSJG (Powering Up) > Goku SSJG (Initial) > Beerus 10% > Goku (Failed SSJG Ritual) > Raging Vegeta Ssj2 > Beerus 5% > Vegetto Ssj3 (Db Super) > Vegetto Ssj3 (Boo Saga)

Numerically:

Beerus: 100
Goku SSJG: 60 (Zenkai & Full Power)
Goku SSJG: 48 (BoG 80% & Full Power in Db Super)
GokU SSJG: 36 (Powering Up)
Goku SSJG: 24 (Initial)
Beerus 10%: 10
Goku Ssj: 8 (Failed SSJG Ritual)
Raging Vegeta Ssj2: 7.5
Vegetto Ssj3: 6 (Db Super & BoG)
Vegetto Ssj3: 1 (Boo Saga)

For Comparison:

GT

Goku Ssj4 (Baby) ~ 1.2


Boo Saga

Super Vegetto: 0.125 (Boo Saga)
Super Boohan: 0.0125

 

[Pakl]

Vegeta and Goku were never implied as strongest.. Super shows Vegeta is weak and that Base Gotenks is a big deal

Gohan like in BoG was not intended to be ultimate

 

[Captain Cadaver]

Vegeta explicitly stated that he was the 2nd strongest Saiyan, with Goku being the strongest, and the intros and anime itself show that Gohan was indeed intended to be Ultimate. Nothing whatsoever suggests otherwise, unlike in BoG.

 

[kriss-]

Vegeta explicitly stated that he was the 2nd strongest Saiyan, with Goku being the strongest, and the intros and anime itself show that Gohan was indeed intended to be Ultimate. Nothing whatsoever suggests otherwise, unlike in BoG.

What do you think of my levels?

 

[Disasters GoOn]

Where would you put Omega Shenron at?

It's implied in both the GT Perfect Files and even in the Shadow Dragons Arc that SSj4 is a potential unlock, meaning that SSj4 Goku (Shadow Dragons Arc)=SSj4 Goku (Baby Arc) (or at the most, Dragons Arc SSj4>>Baby Arc SSj4, even though the gap between both Goku's might be enormous).

So, if Baby Arc Goku is a 1.2, then Shadow Dragons Arc SSj4 Goku is around 1.2 as well.

Yi Xing Long (Syn Shenron, in other words) comes along. He not only smashes SSj4 Goku like a ragdoll, but on top of that, he's able to tank Goku's 10x Kamehameha. This implies that Yi Xing Long>>10x Kamehameha>>>>>>>SSj4 Goku. So, maybe Yi Xing Long is a 15 at the lowest and an 18 at the highest.

Then Yi Xing Long absorbs the Dragon Balls, and after doing so (and becoming Omega Shenron in the process), he states that his power had increased dramatically...as in by 10-fold, perhaps larger.

So, with this going in mind, we wind up with Omega Shenron perhaps being rivals with Beerus going by your gaps.

Where do you personally place Shenron at?

 

[kriss-]

Where would you put Omega Shenron at?

It's implied in both the GT Perfect Files and even in the Shadow Dragons Arc that SSj4 is a potential unlock, meaning that SSj4 Goku (Shadow Dragons Arc)=SSj4 Goku (Baby Arc) (or at the most, Dragons Arc SSj4>>Baby Arc SSj4, even though the gap between both Goku's might be enormous).

So, if Baby Arc Goku is a 1.2, then Shadow Dragons Arc SSj4 Goku is around 1.2 as well.

Yi Xing Long (Syn Shenron, in other words) comes along. He not only smashes SSj4 Goku like a ragdoll, but on top of that, he's able to tank Goku's 10x Kamehameha. This implies that Yi Xing Long>>10x Kamehameha>>>>>>>SSj4 Goku. So, maybe Yi Xing Long is a 15 at the lowest and an 18 at the highest.

Then Yi Xing Long absorbs the Dragon Balls, and after doing so (and becoming Omega Shenron in the process), he states that his power had increased dramatically...as in by 10-fold, perhaps larger.

So, with this going in mind, we wind up with Omega Shenron perhaps being rivals with Beerus going by your gaps.

Where do you personally place Shenron at?

Syn Shenron: 15

Goku
~Ssj4 1.2
~10x Kk 12
~Limits Surpassed 20

Omega Shenron: 30

Gogeta Ssj4: 150

I guess this could work.

A GT game states Gogeta is the only one capable of fighting the Gods. So I've got him dead even with Whiss, but Whiss would beat him due to time manipulation.

 

[Six Trails]

I'm failing to see how energy from Goten, Trunks, Vegeta, and Gohan would make Goku as a Super Saiyan 1 1.33x Super Saiyan 3 Vegetto.

You'd think Goku would just have Vegeta donate his energy to Goku instead of permanently fusing with him to fight Gohan-Boo if it was that much more effective.

 

[Six Trails]

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[Papasmurf]

You could say the same thing about Gohan, Trunks and Goten pushing Goku past his limits though

 

[kriss-]

I'm failing to see how energy from Goten, Trunks, Vegeta, and Gohan would make Goku as a Super Saiyan 1 1.33x Super Saiyan 3 Vegetto.

You'd think Goku would just have Vegeta donate his energy to Goku instead of permanently fusing with him to fight Gohan-Boo if it was that much more effective.

Dragonball Z is the catalyst for bizarre power increases.

Using logic from the current era becomes redundant if you try and apply it to something that predates it. It's like saying Baby's 'strongest Chie ever' statement applies to Beerus, despite Beerus not even existing at that particular time.

P.S. My GT knowledge is lacking. So you can nit-pick at it all you want. Chances are, I'm probably wrong in that departure. I absolutely hate GT.

My Z knowledge is completely different.

 

[Six Trails]

You could say the same thing about Gohan, Trunks and Goten pushing Goku past his limits though

The gap between Super Saiyan 1 Goku and Super Saiyan 3 Vegetto would be infinitely larger than the gap between regular and surpassed limits Super Saiyan 4 Goku, though.

 

[Papasmurf]

Meh, same thing. Three guys far weaker than pre-absorption Super 17 causing Goku to far surpass a guy that was trashing him earlier makes virtually zero sense. There's no need to be skeptical about one issue and not about another. Plus, gaps nonwithstanding, the sheer amount of ki Goku would have to be pumped with in GT still dwarfs the guys that supplied it. It's still a bunch of ants creating a thunderstorm with the static electricity of their paws rubbing together. Plus, base Goku didn't even have much ki left after the beating he took, yet they replenished that as well.

 

[Pakl]

Vegeta explicitly stated that he was the 2nd strongest Saiyan, with Goku being the strongest, and the intros and anime itself show that Gohan was indeed intended to be Ultimate. Nothing whatsoever suggests otherwise, unlike in BoG.

He meant between both of them like in the Boo Arc...
Super is a remark of BoGwhen Gohan was ignored... its been 6 months since the Boo battle so Vegeta cant be stronger than Boo lol

 

[kriss-]

Vegeta explicitly stated that he was the 2nd strongest Saiyan, with Goku being the strongest, and the intros and anime itself show that Gohan was indeed intended to be Ultimate. Nothing whatsoever suggests otherwise, unlike in BoG.

He meant between both of them like in the Boo Arc...
Super is a remark of BoGwhen Gohan was ignored... its been 6 months since the Boo battle so Vegeta cant be stronger than Boo lol

The terminology of 'can't, isn't applicable to Dragonball Z. It always gives the characters the benefit of the doubt, no matter what power increases they under went.

a) Vegeta's feats are better than Gohans.

Vegeta Ssj2 > Ultimate Gohan

b) Vegeta is stated several times to be inferior to Goku.

Goku Ssj3 > Vegeta Ssj2 > Ultimate Gohan

Just as a side-note, Beerus says Goku gave him the most 'fun'. Fun is always synonymous with strength in Dragonball Z.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

He meant between both of them like in the Boo Arc...
Super is a remark of BoGwhen Gohan was ignored... its been 6 months since the Boo battle so Vegeta cant be stronger than Boo lol

And the proof of that is? There'd be little point in the statement if he were only considering full blooded Saiyans.

DBS being a remake doesn't mean anything. There was plenty of things changed and improved power-wise, such as Godku and Beerus getting a boost up to Multi-Galaxy level, as well as multiple changes in the story line. Nothing even remotely suggests Gohan was initially planned to be just a SSJ in DBS, other than your bias.

 

[kriss-]

IMO a normal Ssj2 Vegeta is around 20-25% stronger than Ultimate Gohan. The gap is enough for Vegeta to perform the way he did -or, about equal to Bootenks

Super Vegetto ~ 20,000
Goku Ssj3 ~ 8,800
Boohan ~ 2,800
Bootenks ~ 2,200
Vegeta Ssj2 ~ 2,200
Ultimate Gohan ~ 1,800
Gotenks Ssj3 ~ 1,200
Super Boo ~ 1,000

No, Boohans power isn't impressive anymore. None of the Majin's are.

 

[Dagon]

What the heck is t0sh doing here?

 

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@h0kuten

Shouldn't Bebi be far above SSj1 Vegito? Goku already stated General Rildo was stronger than the previous enemy Majin Buu, and Goku at base was matching him and his SSj1 surpassed him easily. After getting beat up by SBV1, Goku confirmed Bebi was the strongest ki he ever felt which includes Vegito. So that means Bebi after absorbed energy is above SSj3 Vegito.

Anyway, overall good list.

 

[Disasters GoOn]

@h0kuten

Shouldn't Bebi be far above SSj1 Vegito? Goku already stated General Rildo was stronger than the previous enemy Majin Buu, and Goku at base was matching him and his SSj1 surpassed him easily. After getting beat up by SBV1, Goku confirmed Bebi was the strongest ki he ever felt which includes Vegito. So that means Bebi after absorbed energy is above SSj3 Vegito.

Anyway, overall good list.

How would he be above SSj3 Vegetto?

SSj Vegetto, yes, but not SSj3 Vegetto.

Remember, Goku says that Super Vegeta-Baby has the greatest Ki that he's ever FELT. He's never felt SSj3 Vegetto's Ki, he's only felt SSj Vegetto.

This isn't like the BoG scenario, where Goku basically does an imaginary scaling of him and Vegeta in order to conclude that Beerus>>hypothetical fusions.

 

[kriss-]

Vegetto
~Base 12.50
~Ssj 125
~Ssj2 250
~Ssj3 1,000

Baby Vegeta
~Super Baby 1 200
~Super Baby 2 400
~Golden Oozaru 1,200

Goku
~Base 8
~Ssj 20
~Ssj2 30
~Ssj3 120
~Ssj4 1,200