Taopaipai > Krillin (22nd)?

[Lightsworn]

Mhhh, it's all we got. If the statement wasn't contradicted than yeah that would be true but since it's contradicted we have to do some assuming. Judging by their personalities, I doubt they were real close to begin with so it could have been decades since they seen each other.

Tsurusennin statement is more objective than implications because it's an actual statement. It would take an actual statement like his to contradict him, not an implication.

Tsurusennin said at the Budokai that Taopiapai hasn't called in three years. Then he figures out it's because Goku killed him three years ago. So they seem close to me. Also they both like killing, so how are their personalities different? He is even training Tien to be an assassin.

It's a statement merely made out of reputation, it's not the same as Chappa's statements as the characters who know Goku has improved since fighting at Baba's palace still think Goku should have been in trouble even after watching him fight. That's how the Tao statements are contradicted.

Tsuru-Sennin found out Goku killed Tao when Goku commented on Chaozu's Dodonpa claiming it was the same technique Tao used on him, then Tien asked how Goku knew his name and Goku said that he killed him. I don't remember anything about the Crane calling Tao during the three year gap between the tournament.

I never said their personalities were different. I just fell the relationship was strictly professional They were "close" in the sense of how they wanted to kill people but im not sure if they really was visiting each other often.

No one ctually saw Chapa before. They all went off by what the legend says. No one actually knows his power. Chapa's power is the one being judged by reputation more than anything.

Tien was the one who told Tsurusennin that Goku killed Taopaipai. Then this is when Tsurusennin figures out why Taopaipai hasn't called in three years, which shows they kept in contact.

 

[Six Trails]

Roshi could sense Chappa's Ki though, no?

 

[DBZAOTA482]

Tsurusennin statement is more objective than implications because it's an actual statement. It would take an actual statement like his to contradict him, not an implication.

Tsurusennin said at the Budokai that Taopiapai hasn't called in three years. Then he figures out it's because Goku killed him three years ago. So they seem close to me. Also they both like killing, so how are their personalities different? He is even training Tien to be an assassin.

It's a statement merely made out of reputation, it's not the same as Chappa's statements as the characters who know Goku has improved since fighting at Baba's palace still think Goku should have been in trouble even after watching him fight. That's how the Tao statements are contradicted.

Tsuru-Sennin found out Goku killed Tao when Goku commented on Chaozu's Dodonpa claiming it was the same technique Tao used on him, then Tien asked how Goku knew his name and Goku said that he killed him. I don't remember anything about the Crane calling Tao during the three year gap between the tournament.

I never said their personalities were different. I just fell the relationship was strictly professional They were "close" in the sense of how they wanted to kill people but im not sure if they really was visiting each other often.

No one ctually saw Chapa before. They all went off by what the legend says. No one actually knows his power. Chapa's power is the one being judged by reputation more than anything.

Tien was the one who told Tsurusennin that Goku killed Taopaipai. Then this is when Tsurusennin figures out why Taopaipai hasn't called in three years, which shows they kept in contact.

No, they saw Chappa's movement during his fight with Goku and still couldn't believe he lost so easily.

They didn't overestimate Chappa. They underestimated Goku.

 

[Lightsworn]

Roshi could sense Chappa's Ki though, no?

What evidence is there that Roshi can sense Ki at this point?

 

[Six Trails]

Well, he could at the beginning of Z. I believe I also remember Roshi sensing that Goku was still alive after the Kikoho. Could be wrong on that.

 

[Lightsworn]

Well, he could at the beginning of Z. I believe I also remember Roshi sensing that Goku was still alive after the Kikoho. Could be wrong on that.

He said he only sensed Goku's presence at that moment.

 

[Six Trails]

Guess not then. Is it possible he's the one that taught Goku how to sense Ki? Or the one who taught Grandpa Gohan who in turn taught Goku?

He displayed Ki sensing at the beginning of Z and I don't feel that he had only learned to recently at that point.

 

[Lightsworn]

Guess not then. Is it possible he's the one that taught Goku how to sense Ki? Or the one who taught Grandpa Gohan who in turn taught Goku?

He displayed Ki sensing at the beginning of Z and I don't feel that he had only learned to recently at that point.

My guess is that everyone learned it on their own. It's not a hard concept to learn seeing as how Vegeta learned it just from seeing it and with no on to teach him

 

[Six Trails]

So you think Roshi learned after Tenshinhan and Goku?

 

[Emmeth]

Roshi definitely could sense chi. The way he's talking about characters' potential up through the series implies he can. Goku learned how to sense chi from Karin most likely.

As for topic, I can see Tao being stronger than most of the 22nd TB. He's a renowned hitman afterall.

 

[Lightsworn]

So you think Roshi learned after Tenshinhan and Goku?

Yeah, after the 23rd Budokai.

 

[Six Trails]

I summon Kyo for his input on this situation??

 

[Six Trails]

plz??

 

[SSJ2]

He says no.

 

[Evil Vegeta]

Seems like the Super God Water heightened Goku's ability to sense Chi. He immediately notes Daimao's demonic Chi right after he wakes up.

I always thought Popo and Kami helped make him more efficient in that area, though. Didn't Popo tell him he was having trouble keeping up because he used his eyes instead of feeling?

 

[p123]

Goku has been able to sense ki from the very beginning. Remember he sensed the people in the houses of the village, the one Oolong terrorized? He makes several statements suggesting he can sense ki as well throughout the series.

But yes, the God Water really gave him much better ki sensing and then finally training with Popo really gave him the current level of ki sensing.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

Lightsworn, I challenge you.

 

[ahill1]

Withheld had a good point about Goku ( vs kuririn ) being even stronger than that who fought Chapa-o... Goku ( Full Match Level ) > Roshi ( 22nd Budokai ) > Goku ( Little More Effort Vs Kuririn ) > Goku ( Initial Vs Kuririn ) ~ Kuririn > Goku ( Vs Chapa ) > Goku ( Everyone's estimation ) > Goku ( Uranai Baba ) >= Goku ( Vs Tao Pai Pai ) > Tao Pai Pai. Therefore, Goku ( Full Match Level ) is way, way stronger than Tao Pai Pai. So why only Goku Full Match Level was able to ensure Tsuru of his brother's defeat ? Because he overestimated his brother.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

OK, Lightsworn think about this.

We know the gang saw Goku fight all-out against Grandpa Gohan, 3 years ago.

We also know for a fact, that they all thought Goku had improved greatly at the 22nd Tenkaichi-Budokai, after seeing his fight with Chapa-o.

Goku calls Yamcha incredible against Tenshinhan. They all have a bit of a "AMAZING POWAAAH" look, when they see Yamcha and Tenshinhan fight, even Goku. Goku prior to the 3 years was greatly above everyone from the gang (as you can see by Goku watching Yamcha & Mummu-kun's fight where he even said Mummy-kun's speed wasn't all that good), yet in this sequence Yamcha is treated as if he's improved greatly, and is almost treated as if his and Tenshinhan's fight was a fight between 2 of the highest fighters at that point. Don't ask me how I know, just maybe look at the fight and everyone's re-action, and you'll know.

Goku before the training could defeat Tao, without much trouble.

Tsuru-sennin, like I said, basically made the same comment after Goku defeated Pamput.

We also know Tao was seen as the No. 1 assassin in the world. Now how many times do you think he really ever had to exert full-effort against anyone? I think it probably had been a long time at that point, Tsuru-sennin saw him go all-out against anyone, since Tao was so strong.

We know the gang saw Goku go all-out against Grandpa-Gohan, though.

So the Gang knows Goku's full-power, where-as Tsuru-sennin potentially hasn't seen Tao go all-out in years. I doubt they fought every-time they saw each-other.

It's possible Tao used to be stronger when he was younger, but that's more of an assumption, but like I said we have no indication of when Tsuru-sennin last saw his brother go all-out to fight. Which I think is very unlikely, since Tao was so faking strong.