Tapion's Return Power Levels(Battle with Frieza to Boo Arc)

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Hello DBZETA! I just felt i could post my new power levels here. I think i should probably post stuff here more often, since i used to be a frequent member.

This list is based on the manga and doesn't follow the Daizenshuu levels, since i think they should be higher based on the implications.

UPDATE: Added Saiyan and Early Frieza Arc levels.

MULTIPLIERS
Super Saiyan - 50x
Super Saiyan Grade 2 - 1.5x SSj
Super Saiyan Grade 3 - 3x SSj
Super Saiyan 2 - 4x SSj
Super Saiyan 3 - 4x SSj2


FUSION MULTIPLIERS
Super Saiyan - 4x base
Super Saiyan 2 - 8x base
Super Saiyan 3 - 40x base


Saiyan Arc
Raditz Section

Goku
--- weighted - 334
--- Unweighted - 416
--- Super Kamehameha - 924

Piccolo
--- weighted - 322
--- unweighted - 408
--- Makankosappo Attempt 1 - 1.330
--- Makankosappo Attempt 2 - 1.300

Raditz - 1.250

Son Gohan
--- initial - 1
--- Stressed - 710
--- Angry - 1.307

Yamcha - 177
Tien - 250
Krillin - 206

Nappa and Vegeta' Section

Goku
--- base - 8.000
--- Kaioken x2 - 16.000
--- Kaioken x3 - 24.000
--- Kaioken Kamehameha - 30.000
--- Kaioken Kamehameha x4 - 40.000

Vegeta
--- initial - 9.000
--- Full-Power - 18.000
--- Galick-Ho - 30.000
--- Weakened - 8.000
--- Great Ape(Weakened) - 80.000

Nappa
--- initial - 4.000
--- full power - 7.500
--- Mouth Blast - 9.500

Piccolo
--- initial - 1.220
--- full power - 2.000

Gohan
--- initial - 981
--- Angry - 2.200
--- Masenko - 2.800

Tenshinhan
--- base - 1.800
--- Kikoho - 2.500

Krillin
--- initial - 1.083
--- full-power - 1.500
--- Scattering Bullet - 2.000

Chiaotzu
--- initial - 800
--- Self-Destruction - 2.200

Yamcha - 1.400

Saibamen - 1.200

Frieza Saga
Ginyu' Section

Son Goku
--- vs. Ginyu Force - 63.000
--- base - 90.000
--- Kaioken - 180.000

Ginyu
--- initial - 65.000
--- full power - 120.000

Vegeta
--- Earth Zenkai - 24.000
--- Zarbon Zenkai - 28.000
--- Recoome Zenkai - 60.000

Zarbon
--- base - 23.000
--- Transformed - 28.000

Dodoria
--- initial - 22.000
--- Loss of Yuuki - 15.000

Krillin
--- initial - 1.500
--- Unweighted - 2.000
--- Potential Unlocked - 13.000

Gohan
--- initial - 1.500
--- Unweighted - 2.000
--- Potential Unlocked - 14.000
--- Masenko - 21.000

Nail - 42.000

Recoome - 42.000
Jeice - 42.000
Burter - 42.000
Guldo - 10.000
BATTLE WITH FRIEZA

Son Goku
--- base - 5.000.000
--- Kaioken x10 - 50.000.000
--- Kaioken x20 - 100.000.000
--- Kaioken Kamehameha - 110.000.000
--- Super Saiyan - 250.000.000

Frieza
--- First Form - 530.000
--- Second Form(Initial) - 1.060.000
--- Second Form(Powered-Up) - 1.200.000
--- Second Form(Powered-Up 2) - 1.500.000
--- Third Form - 2.400.000
--- True Form(initial) - 5.000.000
--- True Form(50%) - 115.000.000
--- True Form(70%) - 161.000.000
--- True Form(100%) - 230.000.000

Vegeta
--- Post Nap - 470.000
--- Post Zenkai - 3.200.000
--- Final Burst Cannon - 4.800.000

Piccolo
--- Initial - 300.000
--- Merged with Nail - 1.250.000
--- Unweighted - 1.600.000

Krillin
---'Steadily Rising'' - 240.000

Gohan
--- ''Steadily Rising'' - 300.000
--- Angry - 1.000.000
--- Post Zenkai - 800.000
--- Angry (2) - 1.800.000
--- Masenko - 2.200.000

CELL SAGA
Trunks' Section

Son Goku
--- base(Rumors) - 7.500.000
--- Super Saiyan(Rumors) - 375.000.000

--- base - 8.000.000
--- Super Saiyan - 400.000.000

Trunks
--- base - 7.200.000
--- Super Saiyan - 360.000.000

Mecha Frieza
--- 50% - 135.000.000
--- Full-Power(Unseen) - 270.000.000

King Cold
--- Suppressed - 135.000.000
--- Full Power(Unseen) - 200.000.000

Vegeta - 4.500.000

Piccolo - 4.500.000

Gohan - 800.000

Krillin - 720.000

Tenshinhan - 100.000

Yamcha - 60.000

ANDROID SECTION

Son Goku
--- base - 16.000.000
--- Super Saiyan - 800.000.000
--- Super Saiyan(Sick) - 600.000.000 and lowering
--- Super Saiyan(Post Kamehameha) - 300.000.000 and lowering

Vegeta
--- base - 16.200.000
--- Super Saiyan - 810.000.000
--- Big Bang Attack - 960.000.000

Trunks
--- base - 15.000.000
--- Super Saiyan - 750.000.000

Piccolo
--- Suppressed - 50.000.000
--- Full-Power - 680.000.000

Android #20
--- initial - 350.000.000
--- Energy Absorbed - 440.000.000

Android #19
--- initial - 320.000.000
--- Energy Absorbed - 400.000.000

Android #17
--- initial - 900.000.000
--- full power - 1.500.000.000

Android #18
--- initial - 900.000.000
--- full power - 1.360.000.000

Krillin - 4.000.000

Tenshinhan - 2.000.000

Yamcha - 1.000.000

CELL SECTION

Cell
--- Initial - 1.000.000.000
--- Humans Absorbed - 4.500.000.000
--- Semi-Perfect(Initial) - 9.000.000.000
--- Semi-Perfect(Full-Power) - 12.000.000.000
--- Perfect(Initial) - 15.000.000.000
--- Perfect(Silent Power-Up) - 32.000.000.000

Piccolo
--- Post Fusion(Initial) - 1.000.000.000
--- Post Fusion(Weighted) - 1.360.000.000
--- Post Fusion(Unweighted) - 1.500.000.000
--- Light Grenade - 2.250.000.000

Vegeta
--- base - 210.000.000
--- Super Saiyan - 10.500.000.000
--- Super Saiyan Grade 2 - 15.750.000.000
--- Final Flash - 40.000.000.000

Trunks
--- base - 190.000.000
--- Super Saiyan - 9.500.000.000
--- Super Saiyan Grade 2 - 14.250.000.000
--- Super Saiyan Grade 3 - 28.500.000.000
--- Super Saiyan Grade 3(Inexperienced Power-Up) - 35.000.000.000

Android #16
--- full power - 4.500.000.000

CELL GAMES SECTION

Cell
--- vs. 50% Goku - 50.000.000.000
--- vs. 100% Goku - 90.000.000.000
--- True Speed - 100.000.000.000
--- Full-Power - 200.000.000.000
--- ''Super'' Perfect - 400.000.000.000
--- Solar Kamehameha - 750.000.000.000

Goku
--- base - 1.600.000.000
--- Super Saiyan(50%) - 40.000.000.000
--- Super Saiyan(100%) - 80.000.000.000
--- Instant Kamehameha - 160.000.000.000

Gohan
--- base - 2.000.000.000
--- Super Saiyan - 100.000.000.000
--- Super Saiyan 2 - 400.000.000.000
--- Father-Son Kamehameha - 800.000.000.000

Vegeta
--- base - 1.080.000.000
--- Super Saiyan - 54.000.000.000

Trunks
--- base - 1.000.000.000
--- Super Saiyan - 50.000.000.000

Piccolo - 36.000.000.000

Cell Jrs. - 56.000.000.000

BOO SAGA

Babidi Section

Son Goku
--- base - 2.200.000.000
--- Super Saiyan - 110.000.000.000
--- Super Saiyan 2 - 440.000.000.000

Son Gohan
--- base - 1.500.000.000
--- Super Saiyan - 75.000.000.000
--- Super Saiyan 2 - 280.000.000.000

Vegeta(Pre)
--- base - 1.800.000.000
--- Super Saiyan - 90.000.000.000
--- Super Saiyan 2 - 360.000.000.000

Goten
--- base - 1.200.000.000
--- Super Saiyan - 60.000.000.000

Trunks
--- base - 1.300.000.000
--- Super Saiyan - 65.000.000.000

Piccolo - 44.000.000.000

Kaioshin - 55.000.000.000

Kibito - 1.300.000.000

Boo' Section

Son Goku
--- base - 2.200.000.000
--- Super Saiyan - 110.000.000.000
--- Super Saiyan 2 - 440.000.000.000
--- Super Saiyan 3 - 1.760.000.000.000

Vegeta(Post)
--- base - 2.200.000.000
--- Super Saiyan 2 - 440.000.000.000

Yakon - 2.500.000.000

Dabura
--- Expected - 180.000.000.000
--- Real Power - 270.000.000.000

I don't know if Gohan was a SSj2 or a SSj1 against Dabura. Ultimately, nothing supplementary helps due to the contradictions and the fact that the hairstyle of both forms are pretty identical makes it even harder. I'm going with SSj2 right now but my opinion in this is fluctuating.

Fat Boo
--- Initial - 320.000.000.000
--- Powered Up - 600.000.000.000
--- Full Power - 1.500.000.000.000

Fusion' Section

Gotenks(Pre RoSaT)
--- base - 500.000.000.000
--- Super Saiyan - 2.000.000.000.000

Fat Boo
--- full power - 1.500.000.000.000

Son Gohan(Z-Sword)
--- base - 6.000.000.000
--- Super Saiyan - 300.000.000.000
--- Super Saiyan 2 - 1.200.000.000.000

Mr. Boo - 600.000.000.000

Pure Evil Boo - 900.000.000.000

Super Boo
--- initial - 4.000.000.000.000
--- vs. Base Gotenks - 8.000.000.000.000
--- vs. Super Gotenks - 32.000.000.000.000
--- Full Power - 140.000.000.000.000
--- Gotenks Absorbed - 300.000.000.000.000
--- Gohan Absorbed - 365.000.000.000.000

Gotenks(Post RoSaT)
--- base - 4.000.000.000.000
--- Super Saiyan - 16.000.000.000.000
--- Super Saiyan 2 - 32.000.000.000.000
--- Super Saiyan 3 - 160.000.000.000.000

Ultimate Gohan
--- initial - 140.000.000.000.000
--- full power - 225.000.000.000.000

Vegito
--- base - 240.000.000.000.000
--- Super Saiyan - 960.000.000.000.000

Gokhan(Potara)
--- base - 400.000.000.000.000

Gogeta
--- base - 6.000.000.000.000
--- Super Saiyan - 24.000.000.000.000
--- Super Saiyan 2 - 48.000.000.000.000
--- Super Saiyan 3 - 240.000.000.000.000


Kid Boo' Section

South-Boo
--- Initial - 180.000.000.000.000
--- Reverting Back - 140.000.000.000.000

Kid(Pure)-Boo
--- vs. Vegeta - 660.000.000.000
--- vs. Mr. Boo - 1.000.000.000.000
--- Full-Power - 1.720.000.000.000

Son Goku
--- base - 2.200.000.000
--- Super Saiyan - 110.000.000.000
--- Super Saiyan 2 - 440.000.000.000
--- Super Saiyan 3 - 1.760.000.000.000

Vegeta
--- base - 2.200.000.000
--- Super Saiyan - 110.000.000.000
--- Super Saiyan 2 - 440.000.000.000

Mr. Boo - 600.000.000.000

So, what are your thoughts?
 

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Very nice list. I'm having trouble finding any faults.

Son Gohan(Z-Sword)
--- base - 24.000.000.000
--- Super Saiyan - 1.200.000.000.000
Why isn't his SSJ2 form mentioned?
 

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You should include 70% Freeza.

100% Freeza should still be a fair amount above Cold, with Cold being 200,000 max.

Mecha Freeza 100% should be 275-300,000,000. He was proud of his new power and said with Cold on his side, it'd be a piece of cake.

You should post the numbers of the humans in the Cell Arc. They should also be in the millions.

Trunks, Goku, and Vegeta should all be in the same ballpark in the Androids portion, with Piccolo also following closely behind. The gaps between them are too high.

Here's a list of gaps from shortest to widest:

1. SSJ2 Gohan VS Cell
2. Semi Cell VS #16
3. Perfect Cell VS Vegeta

Going by your numbers, the first gap should be x1.67, the second should be x2, and the third should be x2.5.

Cell tanked Vegeta's kick to the head and even implies he can take on a ki blast similar in amplification to Gekiretsu Kodan, so it should be the widest gap in the Arc besides Imperfect Cell VS Piccolo.

SSJ2 Gohan should be > Super Perfect Cell by a tad bit.

I'm not going to analyze the Boo Arc. I'm wondering what your numbers are for the Saiyajin and early Freeza Arcs though.
 

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1. You have Freeza Krillin too strong. Vegeta had to lower his chi to be damaged by him.
2. Too small gap Initial Semi Cell/FP Semi Cell.
 

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I have updated the list slightly to include a few missing levels and to fix a few problems. I'm starting to think Kaioshin was talking about SSj2 Gohan when he said that "Super Saiyan" Z-Sword Gohan might be able to defeat Boo. I mean, it's completely haxxed and illogical to have SSj2 Z-Sword Gohan one-shotting SSj3 Goku(even if you think SSj2 is only a 2x boost) out of nowhere when nothing of the sort is ever suggested. I think Kaioshin never knew Super Saiyan 2 was a different form since nobody ever told him that. He probably thought that "That's a more powerful version of Super Saiyan and that's the end" in the end, he still thought it was Super Saiyan. I'm going with that to make Gohan's power less ridiculous.



Yoshi said:
Mecha Freeza 100% should be 275-300,000,000. He was proud of his new power and said with Cold on his side, it'd be a piece of cake.

Not really, he thought he could "probably" beat Goku alone. King Cold was there to guarantee his victory.

ou should post the numbers of the humans in the Cell Arc. They should also be in the millions.

Done.

Trunks, Goku, and Vegeta should all be in the same ballpark in the Androids portion, with Piccolo also following closely behind. The gaps between them are too high.
I think the Trunks-Goku gap is fine. I will lower Vegeta to the 810k range to put him on rivaling range with Trunks though, i think i gave him too much credit. About Piccolo, i feel he is just out of the SSj tier. I might get him to 700 but that's the best i can do without putting him too close to them and contradicting Tien's statement.

1. SSJ2 Gohan VS Cell
2. Semi Cell VS #16
3. Perfect Cell VS Vegeta

Going by your numbers, the first gap should be x1.67, the second should be x2, and the third should be x2.5.
Gaps is a pretty hard subject right now. I try to make it as consistent as possible but it's hard considering the Early Gaps(Zarbon vs. Vegeta (23k vs 24k). I consider Dodoria vs. Vegeta a loss of yuuki scenario though.

Cell tanked Vegeta's kick to the head and even implies he can take on a ki blast similar in amplification to Gekiretsu Kodan, so it should be the widest gap in the Arc besides Imperfect Cell VS Piccolo.
The gap between Perfect Cell(Silent Power Up) and Vegeta SSJG2 is the same as Semi Cell vs Sixteen imo. Perfect Cell's head did move slightly when he was kicked, and Semi Cell's head also budged a little and his expression indicates he felt a little bit of pain. I have Piccolo x Cell Post exactly the same gap as those 2.

SSJ2 Gohan should be > Super Perfect Cell by a tad bit.
I believe they are dead even. Gohan might be a little bit stronger but i don't see enough evidence in the manga to such implications. SPC was only defeated because of Vegeta's distraction and 'cause he was taken off guard by Gohan suddenly recovering his previous power imo. Even Gohan admits Cell powered up more than he thought.

I'm not going to analyze the Boo Arc. I'm wondering what your numbers are for the Saiyajin and early Freeza Arcs though.
I just added them. The list was supposed to include them at first but i accidentaly deleted them without making a draft when i was creating the Trunks Saga levels, so i just started from Late Frieza Arc due to sheer impatience.
 

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@ahill1 Could you review my list?
@withheldforprvivacy I'll fix Krillin's power. About Semi Cell, i never believed he was holding back that much power. It
 

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Vegeta
--- initial - 9.000
I also like to have initial Vegeta at ~9,000. That's the level he fought base Goku at, which seems understandable, as Goku could more or less keep up with him. Vegeta can't alter his battle power the traditional way, but he can drastically alter his level of effort, just like future #17. Good.
Tenshinhan
--- base - 1.800
Don't you think his advantage over the Saibaiman is a little too big? Tenshinhan seems to be using full effort at his first palm punching attack. The Saibaiman still recovers and attacks Ten with his acid (though he was still a little shaken up), to which Ten dodges and land a knee on his neck, knocking out the Saibaiman. While that implies a considerable gap, Ten hits the Saibaiman in the neck, which is a perfect spot yet the Saibaiman gets back up on its feets. The Cultivars also underestimated Tenshinhan, as noted by Vegeta. This fight no way depicts a 66/100 gap imo, which is like Goku vs Ginyus.
Yamcha - 1.400

Saibamen - 1.200
Yamcha's advantage over the Saibaiman is also a little too big imo. Yamcha is clearly using full effort against the Cultivars, as evidenced by him sweating and his gritted teeth. Later, Yamcha takes advantage over the way he was attacked, does a Zanzo-ken(?) and hit the Cultivar with a Kamehameha, which doesn't even kill him. Later the Saibaiman has enough power to grab Yamcha and self destruct. Sure, Yamcha is stronger, but I don't think the fight is indicative of a 85% gap (à la monster Zarbon vs Vegeta) at all.
Zarbon
--- base - 23.000
Vegeta
--- Earth Zenkai - 24.000
I think Zarbon is too close to Vegeta here. You don't see to go with the loss oy Yuuki thing with Zarbon, so why do you have such small gap? The fight really depicts Vegeta as having a noticeable advantage. Vegeta even said it seems Zarbon is standing still IIRC.
Son Goku
--- vs. Ginyu Force - 63.000
Ginyu
--- initial - 70.000
So you have handsome Zarbon at 95% of Vegeta and initial Goku at 90% of initial Ginyu, despite Goku vs Ginyu being far more evenly than the first fight? Ginyu lands the first on Goku because the latter was off guard. After it, Goku dodges Ginyu from behind, has his kick dodged and they go toe to toe in a exchange of attacks.
Krillin
--- initial - 1.500
That was weighted Kuririn. You could also add a level to unweighted Kuririn.
Gohan
--- initial - 1.000
Well, Zarbon states both him and Kuririn are around 1,500, which seems a bit nonsense if Kuririn is only at 66% of said level.
Guldo - 10.000
Wow, a bit too high for Guldo, though I don't think it contradicts something.
Frieza
--- True Form(initial) - 5.000.000
That's the power he fought base Goku and Vegeta, right? Freeza showed less power when effortlessly dodging Piccolo and co., to which Vegeta thought he had a chance against. You should include that too.
Vegeta
--- Post Nap - 470.000
I think Vegeta might be a little too weak here compared to 1st form Freeza. While it's obvious Freeza was a tad bit stronger, Vegeta held him in place, with both exerting a good deal of effort. Later he was also confident in taking out a hypothetical 2nd form Freeza, alongside with Gohan and Kuririn. I'd say Vegeta should be around 490k~500k here. Do you think handsome Zarbon, for instance, could do to 24k Vegeta what Vegeta did to 1st form Freeza?
Son Goku
--- base(Rumors) - 7.500.000
--- Super Saiyan(Rumors) - 375.000.000
So you think Trunks was expecting to meet someone weaker than him, after all of the hype Goku has received from Bulma and Gohan. Future Gohan (1 arm) also pretty much implied he still didn't catch up to his father, and seeing Mecha saga Trunks isn't that much stronger than that Gohan, I doubt Vegeta's son was expecting to meet someone < himself.
King Cold
--- Suppressed - 135.000.000
--- Full Power(Unseen) - 200.000.000
Well, I don't see anything suggesting King Cold could power up. I'd assume he was at full power and that level was ~suppressed Mecha Freeza.But I don't think it matters too much.
Krillin - 720.000
Wow, Kuririn got way stronger, huh? Is there anything suggesting it, considering he spent 130 days dead and that doesn't seem he trained in the other world?
Android #19
--- initial - 320.000.000
--- Energy Absorbed - 400.000.000
I like your numbers for #19. #19 post was said to be not as bad as the rumors, so him being 1.1x stronger than Mecha saga Trunks works rather well.
--- Semi-Perfect(Initial) - 9.000.000.000
--- Semi-Perfect(Full-Power) - 10.000.000.000
A 90/100 power up seems a bit low considering Vegeta refered to his power up as quite an improvement. But I don't there's a contradiction if you see Goku's reactions at Vegeta's ~1,1x power up at the Saiyans saga.
Vegeta
--- base - 1.080.000.000
--- Super Saiyan - 54.000.000.000

Trunks
--- base - 1.000.000.000
--- Super Saiyan - 50.000.000.000

Piccolo - 36.000.000.000

Cell Jrs. - 56.000.000.000
1- The gap between Trunks and the Cell Juniors seems a bit too big, considering Trunks was included with Vegeta in the ones of holding their own. He was also 'well' after the fight, only with a bleed lip.

2- Piccolo seems also awfully low compared to Vegeta and Trunks. While he was clearly doing worse than the two SSJs, he was still standing after the fight, without being so messed up.
 

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ahill1 said:
Don't you think his advantage over the Saibaiman is a little too big? Tenshinhan seems to be using full effort at his first palm punching attack. The Saibaiman still recovers and attacks Ten with his acid (though he was still a little shaken up), to which Ten dodges and land a knee on his neck, knocking out the Saibaiman. While that implies a considerable gap, Ten hits the Saibaiman in the neck, which is a perfect spot yet the Saibaiman gets back up on its feets. The Cultivars also underestimated Tenshinhan, as noted by Vegeta. This fight no way depicts a 66/100 gap imo, which is like Goku vs Ginyus.

Tien dominated the cultivar the whole fight, which was really only a few pages. I'm sure the Saibaman didn't even manage to land any noticeable hit. For me, that's enough to depict a 50% gap, which is a total domination but not quite one-shot imo. And after the neck hit the Saibamen can barely stand, yes, he gets back up on his feet but so does Gohan after a hit from Recoome, and that was a ~2.9x gap at the very least.

Yamcha's advantage over the Saibaiman is also a little too big imo. Yamcha is clearly using full effort against the Cultivars, as evidenced by him sweating and his gritted teeth. Later, Yamcha takes advantage over the way he was attacked, does a Zanzo-ken(?) and hit the Cultivar with a Kamehameha, which doesn't even kill him. Later the Saibaiman has enough power to grab Yamcha and self destruct. Sure, Yamcha is stronger, but I don't think the fight is indicative of a 85% gap (à la monster Zarbon vs Vegeta) at all.

In my opinion, a 15% gap is enough to grapple h2h for a few seconds with your opponent. The Saibamen manages to grapple evenly with Yamcha for a single page, but the bandit quickly overpowers the Saibaman two or three pages later. Having power to grab someone doesn't mean anything imo. 20, who is almost one-shot bait to Piccolo, can also grab him. So can #19, who was being completely dominated and beaten by Vegeta and yet he had energy enough to grab him and absorb a lot of energy.

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I think Zarbon is too close to Vegeta here. You don't see to go with the loss oy Yuuki thing with Zarbon, so why do you have such small gap? The fight really depicts Vegeta as having a noticeable advantage. Vegeta even said it seems Zarbon is standing still IIRC.

Cause' Zarbon is surprised by Vegeta's 22k but there is no indication he was surpassed until 24k reading.

So you have handsome Zarbon at 95% of Vegeta and initial Goku at 90% of initial Ginyu, despite Goku vs Ginyu being far more evenly than the first fight? Ginyu lands the first on Goku because the latter was off guard. After it, Goku dodges Ginyu from behind, has his kick dodged and they go toe to toe in a exchange of attacks.

Fixed everything else until this:

ow, a bit too high for Guldo, though I don't think it contradicts something..
Yeah. Guldo was confident to go against two people who were stated to be over 10,000 by Burter. Sure, he can stop time and move limitless due to that, but what's the good on that if he is over 2,5x or 3x weaker than them as many people seem to depict? If they landed a punch, he would be down. And tbf, i think Guldo expected them to land at least 1 punch. So, about 10,000 seems to be about right. Enough not to be one-shotted effortlessly

think Vegeta might be a little too weak here compared to 1st form Freeza. While it's obvious Freeza was a tad bit stronger, Vegeta held him in place, with both exerting a good deal of effort. Later he was also confident in taking out a hypothetical 2nd form Freeza, alongside with Gohan and Kuririn. I'd say Vegeta should be around 490k~500k here. Do you think handsome Zarbon, for instance, could do to 24k Vegeta what Vegeta did to 1st form Freeza?

I think a 15% difference as i'm depicting is enough. Vegeta grapples with Frieza and walks away sweating and trying to hold his breath due to the effort used, while Frieza is pretty much nonchalant and unaffected by their grapple.
So you think Trunks was expecting to meet someone weaker than him, after all of the hype Goku has received from Bulma and Gohan. Future Gohan (1 arm) also pretty much implied he still didn't catch up to his father, and seeing Mecha saga Trunks isn't that much stronger than that Gohan, I doubt Vegeta's son was expecting to meet someone < himself.

Uh...Trunks is 360.000.000 while Rumors Goku is 375.000.000....

ahill1 said:
Wow, Kuririn got way stronger, huh? Is there anything suggesting it, considering he spent 130 days dead and that doesn't seem he trained in the other world?

Just to help with his gains in the Android Arc.

A 90/100 power up seems a bit low considering Vegeta refered to his power up as quite an improvement. But I don't there's a contradiction if you see Goku's reactions at Vegeta's ~1,1x power up at the Saiyans saga.
Yeah, but there was basically no difference in his performance against Vegeta afterall. Also, Vegeta's 15% improvement after healing from Zarbon's beating is considered REALLY impressive, so why not a ~10% increase?

1- The gap between Trunks and the Cell Juniors seems a bit too big, considering Trunks was included with Vegeta in the ones of holding their own. He was also 'well' after the fight, only with a bleed lip.
He was in mid-rivaling range. Enough to easily keep up and fight back without too much trouble imo.


2- Piccolo seems also awfully low compared to Vegeta and Trunks. While he was clearly doing worse than the two SSJs, he was still standing after the fight, without being so messed up.

Piccolo's low number is to try to make sense of his gains in the clusterfuck known as 'Babidi Saga'.
 

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HUEBR_Tapion said:
@ahill1 Could you review my list?
@withheldforprvivacy I'll fix Krillin's power. About Semi Cell, i never believed he was holding back that much power. It

Vegeta said ''quite an improvement'' when Semi Cell powered up to max. Personally, my gaps are...

Initial Semi Cell- 9
SSJ Vegeta- 10
FP Semi Cell- 12
ASSJ Vegeta- 16
 

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withheldforprivacy said:
HUEBR_Tapion said:
@ahill1 Could you review my list?
@withheldforprvivacy I'll fix Krillin's power. About Semi Cell, i never believed he was holding back that much power. It

Vegeta said ''quite an improvement'' when Semi Cell powered up to max. Personally, my gaps are...

Initial Semi Cell- 9
SSJ Vegeta- 10
FP Semi Cell- 12
ASSJ Vegeta- 16

I fixed it. I think i agree with your gaps
 
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