Tenshinhan Boo Saga

[Pyro]

What the heck would #17 be doing the whole time? Someone with a travel speed as fast as his would've found the action in no time. He would be seeing a whole bunch of ki beams going everywhere

Probably the same thing Tenshinhan would be doing during all of the events leading to Gotenks-Boo's planet buster. His thumb was up his ass.

 

[Six Trails]

Occam's Razor proves me right. You're the one that has to prove otherwise.

You're the one who has to prove #17 didn't die when Fat Boo took out 2/3rds of the world's population. Then you can actually talk.

 

[FutureProtagonist]

What the heck would #17 be doing the whole time? Someone with a travel speed as fast as his would've found the action in no time. He would be seeing a whole bunch of ki beams going everywhere

Even if he is alive, he can't sense ki. Is he going to be able to find the exact spot where the fight is? Out of all the times where he could have been killed, the human extinction attack is the least likely. If he's dead, it was when Boo wiped out the Earth's population or when Goku destroyed 1/10th of the planet. Or he's still alive and can't find the fight/doesn't care enough to help out.

#17 getting hit by the extinction beams is complete fiction. Chaozu > #17 is completely preposterous too.

Without making up some ability that Boo was never shown to possess, he's unable to kill #17 with that particular attack.

 

[Papasmurf]

I can't for one second begin to rationalize #17 dying anytime but when the Earth blew up. Him being killed against Fat Boo is reaching already on the grounds that Babidi conveniently neglected to mention an abnormally strong human that they killed, Super Boo killing him makes absolutely no sense considering that Chaozu survived, and as mentioned already, without any sensable ki there's no possible way to determine he died in either of those instances.

 

[FutureProtagonist]

Him being killed against Fat Boo is reaching already on the grounds that Babidi conveniently neglected to mention an abnormally strong human that they killed

His biggest killing spree came after Babidi's death.

I find this pretty amusing. From Battle of Gods character bios:

Kuririn: Goku's friend is the strongest Earthling

Tenshinhan: when it comes to guts, he's strongest!

"Guts" 2

 

[Papasmurf]

Him being killed against Fat Boo is reaching already on the grounds that Babidi conveniently neglected to mention an abnormally strong human that they killed

His biggest killing spree came after Babidi's death.

I find this pretty amusing. From Battle of Gods character bios:

Kuririn: Goku's friend is the strongest Earthling

Tenshinhan: when it comes to guts, he's strongest!

"Guts" 2

True, that's why it's mostly "reaching" for me. Considering that Toriyama bothered to make note of people as insignificant as Dr. Briefs and his wife around the time Boo and Babidi were ravaging the Earth I tend to think he'd make mention of #17 if he died around that point.

"Guts" though... :clap

 

[Son Gokū]

*sigh*
Again with the whole Tien/Krillin thing?...
This will NEVER end.......

 

[Pyro]

I forgot all about the "guts" thing. That should say it all...

 

[Zippy]

People still think Kuririn is stronger than Tenshinhan? Tenshinhan should be around 16's power tier in the Boo arc

The dying breed is not Krillin supporters. Is your best argument something based completely in unknowable fantasy?

Prove the following, then we'll talk:

-#17 is dead
-#17 died from the human extinction attack (basically impossible because he has no sense-able ki)

Occam's Razor proves me right. You're the one that has to prove otherwise. and y'all are crazy if you think Tenshinhan is portrayed to be weaker than Kuririn. Even FnF and Super's feats agree

Manga, Bog promotional material, guides, magazines, anime, video games and media, author's words > Any fan that says Tien is stronger

 

[Itachi]

What the heck would #17 be doing the whole time? Someone with a travel speed as fast as his would've found the action in no time. He would be seeing a whole bunch of ki beams going everywhere

Occam's razor hates you 2

 

[Southern Gothic]

Him being killed against Fat Boo is reaching already on the grounds that Babidi conveniently neglected to mention an abnormally strong human that they killed

His biggest killing spree came after Babidi's death.

I find this pretty amusing. From Battle of Gods character bios:

Kuririn: Goku's friend is the strongest Earthling

Tenshinhan: when it comes to guts, he's strongest!

"Guts" 2

EoZ Pan had guts too.

So...

Tenshinhan ~ EoZ Pan?

 

[xmysticgohanx]

The dying breed is not Krillin supporters. Is your best argument something based completely in unknowable fantasy?

Prove the following, then we'll talk:

-#17 is dead
-#17 died from the human extinction attack (basically impossible because he has no sense-able ki)

Occam's Razor proves me right. You're the one that has to prove otherwise. and y'all are crazy if you think Tenshinhan is portrayed to be weaker than Kuririn. Even FnF and Super's feats agree

Manga, Bog promotional material, guides, magazines, anime, video games and media, author's words > Any fan that says Tien is stronger

Manga shows Tenshinhan > Kuririn just look at every feat ever. The promotional material was made by Toei plus manga > secondary stuff. The author can't even remember what SSJ2 is. Nor did he remember about Oob even though Oob was mentioned in the same interview he said Kuririn is the strongest. And manga > secondary stuff anyway. Do y'all really think Kuririn would've stalled Cell, hit Bootenks blast, or fight on the same level as Piccolo and #18 in Super? Even FnF shows Tenshinhan is stronger. I'll admit the #17 stuff is inconclusive but all y'all have to go off of is some forgetful author's comments, and a fallible character manga statement.

 

[Papasmurf]

Fight on the same level as #18? So Kuririn was on the same level as Gohan and Piccolo in this scene then?

 

[Zippy]

Occam's Razor proves me right. You're the one that has to prove otherwise. and y'all are crazy if you think Tenshinhan is portrayed to be weaker than Kuririn. Even FnF and Super's feats agree

Manga, Bog promotional material, guides, magazines, anime, video games and media, author's words > Any fan that says Tien is stronger

Manga shows Tenshinhan > Kuririn just look at every feat ever. The promotional material was made by Toei plus manga > secondary stuff. The author can't even remember what SSJ2 is. Nor did he remember about Oob even though Oob was mentioned in the same interview he said Kuririn is the strongest. And manga > secondary stuff anyway. Do y'all really think Kuririn would've stalled Cell, hit Bootenks blast, or fight on the same level as Piccolo and #18 in Super? Even FnF shows Tenshinhan is stronger. I'll admit the #17 stuff is inconclusive but all y'all have to go off of is some forgetful author's comments, and a fallible character manga statement.

What feat lol? Only feat that dude has is using a super amplified life draining attack and again pretty much dieing using it had it not been for Goku. In the manga Yamcha conceeds Krillin is the strongest.
The author not remembering SSJ2 is just grasping stuff to make you argument shiny. Just because he forgets one thing it would be a huge assumption to say he forgets another. I can just say the same mono e mono for you and go he forgot his owns words thats why Tien seems stronger in rof.
Oob is a reincarnation to some extent hes an acception, him being mentioned in the same interview kinda tells you at wasn't including him in the humans, unless you think he forgot something that happened a few seconds prior...
Again Tien stalling cell already explained above. Its highly amplified thats all there is to it. He said Krillin was stronger after the whole incident. He wasn't fighting necessarily at the same level. Gohan was treated like garbage does that make Tien stronger than Gohan?
Buutenks blast was a finger beam suppose to kill dende. Whoopie what a feat.
That last comment torn down that whole post because ALWAYS.
Authors comment > feat > statement

 

[FutureProtagonist]

Do y'all really think Kuririn would've stalled Cell, hit Bootenks blast

Of course, as long as he had the same attack. Tenshinhan vs those two is a hilariously one-sided mismatch anyway; not sure how anyone can come to the conclusion that it had anything to do with power.

As for him fighting "on par with" "#18 and Piccolo", when exactly did #18 achieve power similar to Piccolo? Last time I checked, they were at entirely different levels.

 

[Six Trails]

The author can't even remember what SSJ2 is.

So ignore what Toriyama said in 2004, because he forgot something in 2013?

 

[Southern Gothic]

I don't think ten seconds of a triple team up on Beerus means that all three combatants are on the same level. It just means Beerus was able to dodge their attacks with the same proficiency.

 

[Pyro]

Manga shows Tenshinhan > Kuririn just look at every feat ever.

Hm, you're right; Goku running with a turtle shell on his back really does show Tenshinhan > Krillin.

The promotional material was made by Toei plus manga > secondary stuff.

Then you should accept Yamcha's statement in the manga, but...you don't. :blink:

The author can't even remember what SSJ2 is. Nor did he remember about Oob even though Oob was mentioned in the same interview he said Kuririn is the strongest.

Forgetting something at one point doesn't fault anything else.

Do y'all really think Kuririn would've stalled Cell, hit Bootenks blast,

All done with an attack Krillin didn't possess. That's awfully convenient for you, and severely fallacious.

or fight on the same level as Piccolo and #18 in Super?

Fighting in a group doesn't mean everybody is at the same level, or you'd have a lot of explaining to do.

Even FnF shows Tenshinhan is stronger.

In a deleted scene? I didn't see anything like this in the theatrical release.

I'll admit the #17 stuff is inconclusive but all y'all have to go off of is some forgetful author's comments, and a fallible character manga statement.

Fallible because you don't like what it says. You can't actually prove it wrong.

 

[Itachi]

Also Krillin's Kienzan was implied to be more dangerous in the Saiyan saga than Kihoho despite at the time Ten > Krillin. Meaning that Ten's attack most likely never "hurt" Cell rather than being a glorified push back machine.

 

[Southern Gothic]

Also Krillin's Kienzan was implied to be more dangerous in the Saiyan saga than Kihoho despite at the time Ten > Krillin. Meaning that Ten's attack most likely never "hurt" Cell rather than being a glorified push back machine.

I liken to standing in one of those wind tunnels or behind a jet engine. It will push you back, and probably leave you pretty tired and worn out after trying to fight it, but no real damage would be done.