The canon as Toriyama left it.

[Fantastische Hure]

And AT doesn’t care what you think. AT >>> this thread.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

This person really thinks Toyotaro’s writing is canon over AT’s lol.

 

[ScottyFamalam]

Toriyama approved of Toyotaro's writing and changes. Cope more.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

And he also approved of and green-lit the old DragonBall movies. Does that make them canon? You can’t be taken seriously. Besides Tarble not being mentioned doesn’t mean jack. Just because he isn’t mentioned in the manga does not write him out of existence considering Broly which came after mentioned him again.

 

[ScottyFamalam]

And he also approved of and green-lit the old DragonBall movies. Does that make them canon?

Toriyama explicitly said those were set in their own dimension separate from the manga. He didn't say anything like that about DBS's manga. He said this, though:


Stay coping.

Besides Tarble not being mentioned doesn’t mean jack. Just because he isn’t mentioned in the manga does not write him out of existence considering Broly which came after mentioned him again.

He was mentioned by Vegeeta right after Planet Vegeeta blows up. That doesn't mean he came to Earth and met everyone else decades later.

Birus used 70% of his power against SSG Gokuu in the movie. Now Gokuu isn't been close to Birus even after getting UI. The movie isn't canon.

 

[GSM123]

DBS's manga retconned the BoG and Superhero films with its own adaptions of the story.

Stuff like Birus using 70% of his power against SSG Gokuu, Gokuu absorbing the power of SSG into Super Saiyan, Gokuu forgetting meditation, and Beast making Gohan cockier are no longer canon. As such, you don't see them in the manga.

Yeah I'm glad to see that stuff go. RoF anime also removes some inconsistencies from the movie, but I'd still recommend someone the movie over the anime for a new fan. Super Hero is the only adaptation that truly adds to the experience.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

Toriyama explicitly said those were set in their own dimension separate from the manga. He didn't say anything like that about DBS's manga. He said this, though:
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Stay coping.


He was mentioned by Vegeeta right after Planet Vegeeta blows up. That doesn't mean he came to Earth and met everyone else decades later.

Birus used 70% of his power against SSG Gokuu in the movie. Now Gokuu isn't been close to Birus even after getting UI. The movie isn't canon.

Basic story ideas. BoG & Super-Hero the movies were a-lot more than basic story ideas. He even said he wanted Toyotaro to bring more of his own ideas into the manga like Toei did (hence Vegetto in the FT saga), so the manga isn’t even close to 100% AT. You’ve got to be delusional.

 

[GSM123]

This person really thinks Toyotaro’s writing is canon over AT’s lol.

Are we talking about BoG? Because most of the changes Super did were requested by AT himself. Toyotaro did one great change that was not having Goku absorb SSJG. Toriyama had that in the movie and anime and it just fucked up the power levels.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

About any of the manga over movie non-sense. Do you have the source for that?

 

[GSM123]

Tbf the changes are very small so I don't really care. I can't get the source right now but I remember Toriyama was the one who asked for Super to retell the movies.

 

[ScottyFamalam]

Yeah I'm glad to see that stuff go. RoF anime also removes some inconsistencies from the movie

It adds a plethora more.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

RoF the movie sucks, but it’s still 100% AT. Take some inconsistencies out and it’d be canon for sure. It’s also only a movie so you don’t have so much to suffer through.

 

[Warmmedown]

What about the non-power scaling parts of the movies that got redone in the Super manga (eg BoG)?

Those parts might as well be considered canon, if they're not directly contradicted.

 

[ScottyFamalam]

In the movie, everyone's gathered at Capsule Corp. But in the manga, they're on a boat cruise, so the events couldn't have played out quite the same.

In fact, the Pilaf gang doesn't appear anywhere in the manga's retelling of BoG. That implies they didn't show up like they did in the movie. But it's weird, because they're with the rest of cast in the Champa arc like they've already been reintroduced.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

Which is why the idea is non-sense (in my opinion of-course or is it?)

 

[ScottyFamalam]

Nah, it's not important when the Pilaf gang reintroduces themselves, anyway lol. If Toriyama really cared about them, then he would have made sure Toyotaro would feature them in the manga's BoG adaption.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

Whatever helps you sleep at night.

 

[ScottyFamalam]

"Canon"

 

[Fantastische Hure]

So what? That just proves Whis is using some different form of math.

 

[ScottyFamalam]