The Ending

[Future Warrior]

So what's your opinion on how the manga had originally ended with Goku flying off with Oob? I personally thought it was a great and captured the spirit of DB to the heart.

 

[SSJ2]

A fitting end to the series and Galu's story. He was finally able to find someone who would be able to train with him every day, fulfilling his selfish desire for fighting a strong opponent. But not only that, he knew that Oob would eventually turn into his successor as the "defender of earth" after his generation passed away. So it was a good ending for Galu's character, and showed himself to be infinitely more mature than the variation that we see in Super.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

I find it fine. Goku leaving his family to train Oob isn't the most exciting ending, but it is better than a lot of people give it credit for. Goku's actions make sense both from Goku's perspective (leaving Boo's incarnation without a way to control his power isn't a safe idea, taking Oob away from his family isn't good for a kid, etc.) as well as from the Buddhist outlook a lot of DB has. It also shows the dual nature Goku's actions can have at times, him training Oob for the necessity that the next generation (ie. fixing the problem that arose in the battle with Boo), but also doing so for his own desire for a strong opponent. I'd say the biggest problem with the manga version is how rushed it is, something the anime fixed with some nice scenes like Goku talking with Pan before leaving and reminding Goten and Trunks to train hard. The Kanzenban version is a very mixed bag though. Oob riding on the Kinto'Un is a great visual to bring things full circle, but the panel of Vegeta saying he'll soon surpass Kakarott is the start of the constant backtracking of Vegeta's catharsis in the Boo Arc that's been continuing in modern DB material.

 

[Classic Adamas]

Goku is a crappy father and husband.

 

[Papasmurf]

I find that the open ending in the 23rd and Cell arcs was superior, but it is fine for what it is. Toriyama made sure to pay tribute to the first chapter where everything started with Galu meeting Bulma, although it was a bit rushed that the entire post-10 year timeskip part was covered in just two chapters. Toriyama at least made it clear that all of Galu's fights were over and that a new generation was finally taking over for a change, on top of creating a parallel between Oob and kid Galu. If I had to rewrite the last panel though, I'd have made it so Vegeta says "I'll always aim for the top" or "I won't lose to you two still!" rather than "I will defeat you one day Kakarrot!" seeing as Vegeta admitted in the end of the Boo arc that it was Galu's desire to never lose and to surpass his limits that kept him ahead, rather than his desire to defeat his enemies.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

If I had to rewrite the last panel though, I'd have made it so Vegeta says "I'll always aim for the top" or "I won't lose to you two still!" rather than "I will defeat you one day Kakarrot!" seeing as Vegeta admitted in the end of the Boo arc that it was Galu's desire to never lose and to surpass his limits that kept him ahead, rather than his desire to defeat his enemies.

That would still be a tad too similar though, seeing as how Vegeta's speech when Galu fought Pure Boo was an admittance that Vegeta would always be behind him. Something similar to how GT handled his characterisation with him knowing Galu would push on ahead but not wanting to just become irrelevant like Goku's past rivals was probably the best handling of his post-Boo character.

Goku is a crappy father and husband.

In Super, yeah. Z Galu wasn't flawless, but he at least put in some genuine effort as a father and husband when he had to though.

 

[Papasmurf]

If I had to rewrite the last panel though, I'd have made it so Vegeta says "I'll always aim for the top" or "I won't lose to you two still!" rather than "I will defeat you one day Kakarrot!" seeing as Vegeta admitted in the end of the Boo arc that it was Galu's desire to never lose and to surpass his limits that kept him ahead, rather than his desire to defeat his enemies.

That would still be a tad too similar though, seeing as how Vegeta's speech when Galu fought Pure Boo was an admittance that Vegeta would always be behind him. Something similar to how GT handled his characterisation with him knowing Galu would push on ahead but not wanting to just become irrelevant like Goku's past rivals was probably the best handling of his post-Boo character.

Aiming to be the strongest is a natural born Saiyan trait, and Vegeta's admittance that he was inferior mainly rode on his desire to kill his enemies and enjoy himself being a worse motivator than Galu's desire to test his limits and never lose. It doesn't necessarily have to mean that Vegeta's content with never being the best.

 

[Future Warrior]

That would still be a tad too similar though, seeing as how Vegeta's speech when Galu fought Pure Boo was an admittance that Vegeta would always be behind him. Something similar to how GT handled his characterisation with him knowing Galu would push on ahead but not wanting to just become irrelevant like Goku's past rivals was probably the best handling of his post-Boo character.

Eh, Vegeta in GT is a far older character than his DBS and end of manga counterpart. It's only natural for that version to be way more transitioned.

In Super, yeah. Z Galu wasn't flawless, but he at least put in some genuine effort as a father and husband when he had to though.

I've heard of people calling DBS Goku dumb, but not a bad father. I'm actually curious as to where that's shown in the series.

 

[ahill1]

I found it a good ending. Goku left his family hanging and didn't even reply to Gohan's "What's that mean, dad?", but I guess that's just in Goku's nature. While he cares for his family, he was never so hung up on family's etiquette as to give too much satisfactions in situations like this. I also enjoyed how Vegeta and Piccolo were apparently the only ones who saw through Goku's motivations, solidifying them as true evolved characters that know Goku maybe like no one else. I liked the added-up of the anime better, with the moments Goku spent with Pan and his more closely interaction to Goten and Trunks, but this is consistent with the distant and colder (in relation to family) persona Goku is shown to be in the manga -- similarly he didn't hug Goten upon their first encounter like it was shown up in the anime.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

Eh, Vegeta in GT is a far older character than his DBS and end of manga counterpart. It's only natural for that version to be way more transitioned.

Vegeta's attitude in GT seems to be practically a direct continuation of his catharsis after the "You are Number One" scene though, rather than there being some kind of intermediary arc for him between these two bits of characterisation.

I've heard of people calling DBS Goku dumb, but not a bad father. I'm actually curious as to where that's shown in the series.

He was off training somewhere when Gohan was born, for one.

 

[Future Warrior]

Vegeta's attitude in GT seems to be practically a direct continuation of his catharsis after the "You are Number One" scene though, rather than there being some kind of intermediary arc for him between these two bits of characterisation.

I'm more so talking about his more humble nature compared to his DBS version, which I think makes a fair amount of sense as it being over 10 years after the Boo arc in comparison to a few years in the case of DBS version where it's still technically the beginning stages of him coming to terms with himself. While I agree that there are a few times where Vegeta acts like his Cell arc characterization, which is unwarranted, I'm slightly more forgiving at his arrogant moments that are similar to what he was in the late Boo arc.

I think your interpretation of the No. 1 scene is valid, but him still being competitive with Goku without it being a toxic relationship is a decent one as well.

He was off training somewhere when Gohan was born, for one.

I had the anime in mind, but I guess.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

I'm more so talking about his more humble nature compared to his DBS version, which I think makes a fair amount of sense as it being over 10 years after the Boo arc in comparison to a few years in the case of DBS version where it's still technically the beginning stages of him coming to terms with himself. While I agree that there are a few times where Vegeta acts like his Cell arc characterization, which is unwarranted, I'm slightly more forgiving at his arrogant moments that are similar to what he was in the late Boo arc.

I think your interpretation of the No. 1 scene is valid, but him still being competitive with Goku without it being a toxic relationship is a decent one as well.

I could agree to that if DBS kept his rivalry with Goku purely a competitive one to push himself further, but both versions instead end up erasing that part of his development and resetting his attitude to Goku back to his Cell Arc self for the most part; the anime doing this through him saying he won't settle for being No. 2 (despite that being the point of the scene in the Boo Arc) whereas the manga does it through his attitude in both the ToP and the most recent chapter.