The gap between high tier Db Super characters and Vegetto/Boohan just got even larger...

[kriss-]

Alright, so I was thinking today... since:

1rst Form Freeza > Gohan SSj > Ginyu > Ultimate Gohan =/= Tagoma

And since final form Freeza is 225x stronger this his 1rst form, and since Goku's Base form rivals Freeza at that level, then his Super Saiyan transformation would make him 50x stronger! At first I thought that was it and Super Saiyan God Blue only increased Goku's SSj form by like... 10x or something. However, the new information suggests that Goku can still turn Super Saiyan 3 at will, which would make him 400x stronger then he was when he fought against Organic Freeza. This is before we take into account Super Saiyan God or Super Saiyan God Blue, let alone the Kaio-Kenx10.

Let's look at it numerically:

Goku SSj3: 240,000,000 (Current)

Goku SSj2: 60,000,000 (Current)

Goku Mssj: 30,000,000 (Current)

Goku Mssj: 25,000,000 (FnF)

Goku Base: 600,000 (Current)

Goku Base: 500,000 (FnF)
4th Form Freeza: 450,000

Vegetto SSj3: 160,000

Vegetto SSj2: 40,000

Vegetto SSj: 20,000 (The Nail, 42,000 vs 1rst form Freeza, 530,000, is depicted to be larger then the Vegetto vs Boohan Gap)

Boohan: 2,000
1rst Form Freeza: 2,000

Bootenks: 1,600
Gohan SSj: 1,500

Ginyu: 1,200
Ultimate Gohan: 1,200
Tagoma: 1,000
Gotenks SSj3 Post: 800
Super Boo: 800

Keep in mind that this is before we apply the Super Saiyan God transformations.

Do you see how over-powered Super is becoming? Without his Saiyan God transformations, Goku is already around 1,500x stronger then Vegetto SSj3.

 

[Pocket-God]

I still think anyone worth their salt in the Buu Saga would've thrashed even final form RoF Frieza but that's probably just me XD

anyway on the topic of Frieza's Final Form multiplier, do we know for a fact that his boost from first to final form is the same in RoF as it is on namek?

 

[xmysticgohanx]

One thing, Ginyu > Ultimate Gohan is a mistranslation. Herms and Dragon team's versiom 2 of the episode have "he's hiding power comparable to my best" not "my prime". Dragonteam originally had "my prime".

That means either of these two things:

1. The Japanese is vague on whether it means RoF SSJ Gohan or Ultimate Gohan

2. The Japanese implies Gohan current best

 

[kriss-]

Gohan's current best could be anything, but he's probably even weaker then he was during the Majin Boo Saga; considering he could barely handle becoming a Super Saiyan.

Great find.

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

Does SSJ multiplier really need to stay same?

 

[kriss-]

Why wouldn't it?

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

Nothing...

 

[kriss-]

You can't just change things because you want to. We need some empirical evidence.

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

You can't just change things because you want to. We need some empirical evidence.

So does that mean Trunks surpassed Vegito as well given how he fared against Goku?

 

[kriss-]

I haven't seen how he fared against Goku. So I'll hold my opinion on that matter for now.

 

[supercat]

Even if SSJ Gohan isn't quite who he was during his Super Buu-trumping days, he's still likely stronger than anything short of his Ultimate incarnation. This in turn would presumably mean that First Form Frieza is at the very least around Buuhan-tier and Ginyu-Tagoma is around the same caliber as some of the weaker forms of Buu. Makes sense when you look back at the show's track record of starting new villains off stronger than their predecessors, while supporting villains are at least comparable to the previous arc's main villain; by comparable I mean, a notch stronger, weaker, or basically on par with one another.

Majin Buu >> Super Perfect Cell
Dabura = / < Cell (unspecified, but likely Super Perfect Cell, or the strongest incarnation of Cell Goku personally saw)

Imperfect Cell >> Final Form Frieza (100%)
Androids 17 & 18 > Final Form Frieza (100%)
Gero and 19 > / = Final Form Frieza (100%) or even Final Form Frieza (100%) > / = Gero and 19

First Form Frieza >> Saiyan Arc Vegeta
Ginyu = / < Saiyan Arc Vegeta (Great Ape)
Ginyu > Saiyan Arc Vegeta

 

[Event Horizon]

You can't just change things because you want to. We need some empirical evidence.

So does that mean Trunks surpassed Vegito as well given how he fared against Goku?

Everyone in Super is pretty much stronger than Vegetto. Hell, Chiaotzu is probably stronger than Vegetto too. 1

 

[Papasmurf]

One thing, Ginyu > Ultimate Gohan is a mistranslation. Herms and Dragon team's versiom 2 of the episode have "he's hiding power comparable to my best" not "my prime". Dragonteam originally had "my prime".

That means either of these two things:

1. The Japanese is vague on whether it means RoF SSJ Gohan or Ultimate Gohan

2. The Japanese implies Gohan current best

Can't be higher than RoF SSJ Gohan since Gohan raped a stronger Ginyu once he transformed. Has to either be referring to FP base Gohan or Ultimate Gohan

I'm personally of the opinion that Gohan still retains part of his Ultimate power, making him stronger than base Gotenks in his base form and above SSJ Gotenks in his SSJ form. Dunno about him being equal or stronger than his Ultimate self from the boo saga tho.

 

[kriss-]

There's no reason why Gohan should be considered more powerful then Gotenks -whom was completely dismissed NOT because of his battle power, but because of his childish antics.