The Gap between Ssj Goku and 100% Namek Freiza

Diamond Ryan

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Fantastische Hure said:
Diamond Ryan said:
Fantastische Hure said:
What is that a reference too again? I forgot.

Also sorry I couldn't rep you up recently. I have to wait again. :ladd :ladd :ladd
It's a reference to Nappa being 4,000 according to the Daizenshuu. :ladd

And I'll rep you so you're back on top.
Oh yeah, I forgot. Haven't been here for some-time. According to Kabroom that'd be right, yeah.

Also I said that because you repped me up recently, but I couldn't do that because of the limit thing, so I let you know. I wasn't just being an asshole. :ladd :ladd :ladd
You better not be. :CC :CC :CC

I need to surpass Mike in rep count.
 

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Diamond Ryan said:
Fantastische Hure said:
Diamond Ryan said:
It's a reference to Nappa being 4,000 according to the Daizenshuu. :ladd

And I'll rep you so you're back on top.
Oh yeah, I forgot. Haven't been here for some-time. According to Kabroom that'd be right, yeah.

Also I said that because you repped me up recently, but I couldn't do that because of the limit thing, so I let you know. I wasn't just being an asshole. :ladd :ladd :ladd
You better not be. :CC :CC :CC

I need to surpass Mike in rep count.
I'm sorry. :cry: :cry: :cry:

I like both of you, so might the person with higher-rep win. :bautista1 :bautista1 :bautista1
 

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Cell did have it. He told Goku to take a senzu to get his power back and that would make the fight "a little more interesting". Based on how warn out Cell was when he told this to Goku, he would be well below FP SSJ Goku, yet he was still going to win easily if Goku got back to full power. He still had all of his power in his reserves that he could bring out in an instance.

If Freeza was not at full power, why would he be announcing each passing 5% that he was at when he was powering up? Would he really do mental math on the spot and know he was at 85% of his 30% power? Seems illogical.
Cell didn't have it either. What you're arguing is that Freezer was NOT affected by the injuries in terms of losing power, but that's clearly not the case with Cell, who had to eat a senzu to recover the strength he had lost, which is directly contradicted by Goku when he states that Cell's Ki had decreased after the KameHame.

Now, regarding what Cell says about Goku, there are multiple explanations to that:
1. Cell was considerably stronger than Goku. At least, he was a good 20% above, so it's possible that his reserves were still high enough to compensate for the strength lost in the fight (he wasn't badly injured like Freezer was, and yes, the KameHame that blew his head should've killed him and even Toriyama admitted that, but in the manga it wasn't treated as a severe injury nor anything that could decide the outcome of the fight).

2. Cell was overly confident, and if Goku had eaten the senzu he would've lost (like when he was convinced he would surpass SSJ2 Gohan but he got trashed instead).
 

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I've always gone with 93%. Enough to be fighting evenly at times, but then essentially proving resistance is futile.

This is when we start to have talks about where we place things in the hierarchy. Let's name some fights that Goku vs Freeza is more/less competitive then.

Less competitive then Piccolo Weighted vs Freeza 2nd Form.
More competitive than Goku vs Cell prior to IT Kamehameha.
More competitive than Vegeta vs Zarbon


I generally take Piccolo Weighted vs Freeza to be the standard 97%, this is the first sign of any difference. Perhaps this could be lower.
King Piccolo vs Goku at 96% Debatable, they are even and then Goku starts a sick combo that puts him way over the top.


I don't think I have any 95% in mind. We should indeed start a hierarchy though.
 

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p123 said:
I've always gone with 93%. Enough to be fighting evenly at times, but then essentially proving resistance is futile.

This is when we start to have talks about where we place things in the hierarchy. Let's name some fights that Goku vs Freeza is more/less competitive then.

Less competitive then Piccolo Weighted vs Freeza 2nd Form.
More competitive than Goku vs Cell prior to IT Kamehameha.
More competitive than Vegeta vs Zarbon


I generally take Piccolo Weighted vs Freeza to be the standard 97%, this is the first sign of any difference. Perhaps this could be lower.
King Piccolo vs Goku at 96% Debatable, they are even and then Goku starts a sick combo that puts him way over the top.


I don't think I have any 95% in mind. We should indeed start a hierarchy though.
Too low if you mean that 100% Freezer was at 93% the power of SSJ Goku (Freezer only looses against him after having lost strength) because 93% probably was the difference there existed when Goku decided to quit (Goku started to dominate the fight, but Freezer could still connect some hits as well).
93% for SSJ Goku in comparison to 100% Freezer, then that would be a better estimation considering Goku had a slight disadvantage (Freezer overpowered him when the Kame Hame).
 
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