The Metamoran Multiplier

[Six Trails]

Now you're just doing it on purpose.

 

[kriss-]

Now that we have ascertained that the Potara multiplier is implied to be quite small than that also means the Metamoran multiplier is even smaller.

Vegeta/Goku
-SSj2 10,000,000,000

Kibitoshin
-Full Power 7,500,000,000

Teen Gohan
-SSj 3,000,000,000

Dabura
-Full Power 2,800,000,000

Kaioshin
-Full Power 1,250,000,000

Piccolo
-Full Power 1,000,000,000

And...

Potara Multiplier (Rivals Boost) > Potara Multiplier (Normal) > Metamoran Multiplier

So we can make the Metamoran multiplier anywhere from 3 -5x the product of the sum. Which would be greater than them combined.

The more and more I dwell into studying the Majin Boo Arc, the more and more I realize how over-rated Gotenks is. Call it what you will, but it's not bias or Goku wanking. I'm analyzing the Boo Saga with an unbiased approach.

 

[withheldforprivacy]

So, Hokuten, where do you have Base Gotenks pre?

 

[kriss-]

So, Hokuten, where do you have Base Gotenks pre?

Stronger than the sum of the parts but weaker than Innocent Boo as a Super Saiyan, at least until he hits the RoSaT.

 

[withheldforprivacy]

So, Hokuten, where do you have Base Gotenks pre?

Stronger than the sum of the parts but weaker than Innocent Boo as a Super Saiyan, at least until he hits the RoSaT.

Be more specific.

 

[kriss-]

So, Hokuten, where do you have Base Gotenks pre?

Stronger than the sum of the parts but weaker than Innocent Boo as a Super Saiyan, at least until he hits the RoSaT.

Be more specific.

I'm not ready to be more specific just yet, I'm still analyzing the Boo Saga. I've just ascertained that the Metamoran multiplier isn't very large -with actual evidence from the Manga itself, and will now have to find some way to incorporate that into my Gotenks threads. That's even before I turn my attention to Super Boo.

 

[withheldforprivacy]

What about Kaioshin? Does he have to be above Piccolo? Old Kai belittled his fusion because ''he was nothing special to begin with''. And, since,
obviously Vegerrot or Gokhan are stronger than Kibitoshin, even in their base forms, then, Base Saiyans ARE something special to begin with, so
Base Saiyans>Kaioshin.

 

[kriss-]

hat about Kaioshin? Does he have to be above Piccolo?

It's a fact that he's above Kaioshin.

Old Kai belittled his fusion because ''he was nothing special to begin with''

Yup, he sure did. But it doesn't stray from the fact that the multiplier isn't very large but remains larger than the Metamoran multiplier.

And, since,
obviously Vegerrot or Gokhan are stronger than Kibitoshin, even in their base forms, then, Base Saiyans ARE something special to begin with, so
Base Saiyans>Kaioshin.

Frieza > Base Saiyans is a confirmed fact.

 

[babaGAReeb 2]

whats the big deal about supreme kai being stronger than piccolo lol

it just means hes on par with zarbon and zarbonxzarbon= still shit

i dont think multipliers ever existed in dbz anyway
analysis indicates akira toriyama is very poor at math

 

[kriss-]

The big deal is that we know -or at least I hope you know, that Kaioshin is greater than Piccolo is during the Majin Boo Saga. He underwent the Potara ritual and came out even weaker than Vegeta SSj2. Because the Metamoran multiplier is inferior to that of the Potara, this means that the Metamoran doesn't multiply the product of the sum by very much. Which completely shits on all the Gotenks SSj Pre & Post-RoSaT theories. Things need to scale linearly for Goku's predications to work; otherwise their opinions and not accurate or fact. Disregarding all this information would be staggeringly biased for someone to do.

 

[withheldforprivacy]

Frieza > Base Saiyans is a confirmed fact.

You answered nothing. If Kaioshin>Base Saiyans and fusion applies to the strongest level, then Kibitoshin>Base Vegerrot.

 

[kriss-]

There was nothing to answer.

Goku & Vegeta receive a boost in their multiplier whether they perform the Metamoran or the Potara dance, due to them being rivals. So it's an irrelevant point that you're trying to bring up.

 

[withheldforprivacy]

But is the rivalry boost soooo big? Old Kai didn't make it sound so.

 

[kriss-]

What do you mean by 'sooooo' big? And why does it have to be so large? (That's what she said). At most, the gap between Vegetto and Boohan only needs to be 5x. The gap between Nail & 1rst Form Frieza is enormously larger.

 

[withheldforprivacy]

If Kaioshin>Piccolo and Base Saiyans<Freeza, then Kaioshin is tens of times stronger than Base Saiyans, which means that, without rivalry boost,
Kibitoshin is tens of times stronger than Base Vegerrot. Therefore, according to your theory, the rivalry boost is a monstrous one.

 

[kriss-]

A hypothetical fusion that is completely fan made has no bearing in this thread. It simply did not exist. Therefore you shouldn't even bring it up. Regardless, Base fusions never achieved anything special outside of the Anime and always had to resort to Super Saiyan in order to manage something.

 

[withheldforprivacy]

I thought of something super important. Fusion can't have a small multiplier as you say, otherwise, Base Gotenks pre is weaker than SSJ Kids. I'm
pretty sure Gotenks knew the power of his particles. So, if he was even weaker than his SSJ individuals, he wouldn't have gone to fight Buu. He
wasn't THAT stupid.

 

[kriss-]

I thought of something super important. Fusion can't have a small multiplier as you say, otherwise, Base Gotenks pre is weaker than SSJ Kids. I'm
pretty sure Gotenks knew the power of his particles. So, if he was even weaker than his SSJ individuals, he wouldn't have gone to fight Buu. He
wasn't THAT stupid.

Give me one feat where Gotenks Base did anything special? Give me one example as to why Gotenks isn't stupid? Give me one scenario where he doesn't act on impulse and does the logical thing?

The evidence is there that proves how large the Metamoran multiplier actually is. You cannot evade that information.

 

[withheldforprivacy]

Ok, he wasn't special, he has no feats, he acted on impulse. But. His idiocy must have a limit. If he was weaker than his SSJ particles, he would
be definitely aware of it.

 

[kriss-]

Why would he? He wasn't aware that he was weaker than Fat Boo yet he went into combat anyways.

Why in blue perfect hell are you trying to pin Gotenks as a reliable and logical character? Haven't my threads debunked that misconception already?