The Zenkai's on Namek

[Future Warrior]

Besides being obviously plot-induced, how would you come up with an in-universe explanation to why Goku and Vegeta got an absurdly large boost from them towards the end of the Freeza arc?

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

Zenkais*

I heard a theory once that new healing methods yields huge increases. Vegeta spend his life being healed by machines and Goku by Senzus, them switching healing methods would give them powers that blow the formers out of the water.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

Possibly through battle experiences and their body's own knowledge of potential danger. The stronger the opponent they face, the greater the Zenkai received as a means to help protect their body from similar opponents. As for Goku's post-Ginyu Zenkai, perhaps his Ki sensing making him aware of Freeza's power compelled his body to yield a greater Zenkai than normal to combat him.

However, even that at it's source is just a fancy, long-winded way of just saying "plot convenience".

 

[withheldforprivacy]

I gave an explanation about that a long time ago. Those huge increases were mistaken
for zenkais by the characters, but, actually, they were not. Goku's and Vegeta's bodies
had slowly started evolving into Super Saiyans.
Vegeta was not near death after fighting Recoome. He could even still stand on his two
feet. I believe that, after being healed from that fight, he got a small increase because
of the good workout, but that small increase was just the extra power needed to break
through the Saiyans' limit (his 30k power before the fight must have been already
really close to that limit, so just a little more was required), so, after that, his body
entered a proccess of gradual power increase till he reached the Super Saiyan level.
The healing after Krillin's blast might have also played a role, speeding up that proccess.
As for Goku, since, by the time he landed on Namek, he was already beyond Saiyans'
limits, i guess that proccess had already began without him realizing it and his power
was gradually increasing all that time till he exited the healing chamber.

 

[Papasmurf]

Namekian water gave them a large increase in S-cell count

 

[SSJ2]

Pretty well what CC said. I also figure the body may increase gains from a Zenkai as you close in on Super Saiyan state. Vegeta already noted his huge Zenkai after Reacoom wasn't an ordinary increase, so I bet the Zenkais would stop being ordinary as you get close to ascension.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

Namekian water gave them a large increase in S-cell count

Well, it has already turned the freaking frogs gay.

 

[Papasmurf]

Namekian water gave them a large increase in S-cell count

Well, it has already turned the freaking frogs gay.

Not to mention Vegeta's future children.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

That's Mai? She looks like a hooker with a fetish for weddings.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

So Toei were foreshadowing Trunks x Mai as early as GT? The more you know. :elmo

 

[Boo Brand Milk]

 

[Boo Brand Milk]

That's Mai? She looks like a hooker with a fetish for weddings.

I always thought Trunks was a subtlely homosexual character. Since chicks love the guy (including my wife) they made him straight.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

I think Tenshinhan is gay. I mean, he refuses everyone to life with a dude on the middle of the nowhere and refused to be with Lunch.

 

[sei'taer]

Pretty well what CC said. I also figure the body may increase gains from a Zenkai as you close in on Super Saiyan state. Vegeta already noted his huge Zenkai after Reacoom wasn't an ordinary increase, so I bet the Zenkais would stop being ordinary as you get close to ascension.

I mean it certainly explains why goku's zenkai's en route to Namek were so low compared to the ones he got on namek.

 

[Future Warrior]

Possibly through battle experiences and their body's own knowledge of potential danger. The stronger the opponent they face, the greater the Zenkai received as a means to help protect their body from similar opponents. As for Goku's post-Ginyu Zenkai, perhaps his Ki sensing making him aware of Freeza's power compelled his body to yield a greater Zenkai than normal to combat him.

However, even that at it's source is just a fancy, long-winded way of just saying "plot convenience".

Interesting concept, but how would that explain Vegeta getting such a large increase from just getting pummeled around by someone less than twice his strength?

 

[Captain Cadaver]

With the part in regard to post-Ginyu Goku, I believe that could apply to Vegeta due to having sensed how powerful Ginyu and Freeza were. Or, alternatively, you could go with the route mentioned by others in that the closer you get to potentially becoming a Super Saiyan, the greater your Zenkai will be, considering Vegeta alludes to such when fighting Jheese.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

Wouldn't this make Vegeta (Post Zarbon) > Freeza or Vegeta (Post Earth) > Kaioken x4 Goku?

 

[Future Warrior]

you could go with the route mentioned by others in that the closer you get to potentially becoming a Super Saiyan, the greater your Zenkai will be, considering Vegeta alludes to such when fighting Jheese.

Doesn't the introduction of S-Cells kinda disprove this though? I mean I guess you can make an argument for Goku but not Vegeta at this stage I'd say.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

Wouldn't this make Vegeta (Post Zarbon) > Freeza or Vegeta (Post Earth) > Kaioken x4 Goku?

With my explanation for post-Ginyu Goku hinging on Ki sensing being part of this, you could say Vegeta's inexperience with the art limiting his gains until the Ginyu Tokusentai fight. After all, he only recently aquired the ability and shouldn't have had too great a mastery of it in the early events of the arc. Meanwhile, by the time of Mecha Freeza's arrival, he was able to sense Ki better than veterans like Yamcha and Tenshithands by noticing Piccolo's arrival before they did, so there was clearly quite a jump in proficiency with the art.

Doesn't the introduction of S-Cells kinda disprove this though? I mean I guess you can make an argument for Goku but not Vegeta at this stage I'd say.

You could assume that for full blooded Saiyans with S-Cells, each battle causes a growth in the amount of S-Cells they have or something along those lines.

 

[Future Warrior]

Or maybe the Zenkais were actually meant for him to approach Super Saiyan territory but the amount of S-Cells prevented him from actually achieving the form? Would explain how Goku was able to do it.