There is no official canon

[Let's Go Fearless!]

To be fair, Toriyama did say that you could consider GT to be a continuation of the manga if you liked it.

鳥山明
Akira Toriyama"

its a perfect way to look at Dragon ball GT. For people who dont want it to be the real end to the dragon ball story, it is just a "side story" and for those who love it it can be part of the grand final story. Incredible that I had forgot about this.

He's just being nice but in reality, he despise it.

 

[withheldforprivacy]

Canon is what i say is canon.

 

[Pocket-Gog~]

Reread my post. I only use the confirmed stuff. Unlike what some people say, there are confirmed stuff. Interestingly enough, only fans of db struggle with this. One piece, HxH, etc, fans all recognize what is canon.

The kanzenban is because it is the newest one. It retconned the original. The full color is not because those aren't the color toriyama uses. Toriyama use blue bulma and blue trunks. Using the newest version of previous canon are standard rules for determining canon. The star wars fandom do this reluctantly, marvel does it, dc does it, etc. This doesn't apply to the anime because it is an adaption which has been said officially.

I explained why RoF and BoG aren't canon anymore. Super is canon now. Since it is the newest version of what went on, the movies are retconned.

They've simply made up their mind on what they believe to be canon, just like you. And what makes the Kanzenban more canonical than the original manga? Why should it be considered more canon if it manages to destroy Vegeta's character development at the last minute. But the problem with that is Marvel, DC, Star Wars all have clear and determined sets of canon, they're just fundamentally different from Dragon Ball in that sense.

But why should that be the case, nothing ever states that ROF and BOG were retconned by there respective saga's in Super, nothing even implies that in the franchise. Also if Super is the canon now then what about GT?

You haven't managed to successfully explain why BOG and ROF are no longer canon, at most you only served to prove my point even more. By stating what you believe to be canon and what's not canon.

Notice how I didn't specifically make mention to canon with my post though. My response would be more to do with the fact that Toriyama's statement causes GT to fit into the "extra fluff" analogy in your post.

I apologies then, I simply misrepresented you.

 

[supersaiyangodgogeta]

Canon just means official work and the only canon that exists is franchise canon. Every official work released by the owners of the series is canon.

 

[SSJ2]

To be fair, Toriyama did say that you could consider GT to be a continuation of the manga if you liked it.

鳥山明
Akira Toriyama"

its a perfect way to look at Dragon ball GT. For people who dont want it to be the real end to the dragon ball story, it is just a "side story" and for those who love it it can be part of the grand final story. Incredible that I had forgot about this.

He's just being nice but in reality, he despise it.

Doesn't matter. He still said it..

 

[Keedounan]

Here is my take on it, with as little amount of assumption on AT's personal canon as possible.

"To be canon, AT needs to be credited for scenario and production/drawing. Parallel universe and parodies doesn't count. Failing at the former, if AT said it happened in his universe, then it can be considered canon."

According to that, only the original manga, jaco the galactic patrolman and his interviews are canon. The rest is non-canon.

 

[xmysticgohanx]

They've simply made up their mind on what they believe to be canon, just like you. And what makes the Kanzenban more canonical than the original manga? Why should it be considered more canon if it manages to destroy Vegeta's character development at the last minute. But the problem with that is Marvel, DC, Star Wars all have clear and determined sets of canon, they're just fundamentally different from Dragon Ball in that sense.

But why should that be the case, nothing ever states that ROF and BOG were retconned by there respective saga's in Super, nothing even implies that in the franchise. Also if Super is the canon now then what about GT?

You haven't managed to successfully explain why BOG and ROF are no longer canon, at most you only served to prove my point even more. By stating what you believe to be canon and what's not canon.

1. I said why the Kanzenban is canon now.

2. Destroying character development is subjective

3. Marvel, DC, Star Wars, other animes, all use the same standards that are being used for DB

4. Super is said to be canon. Since they overwrite BoG and RoF, those are not canon anymore. They were retconned.

5. GT was never canon. AT doesn't consider it canon for himself. He said fans may, but I am using his own canon because it is more important than what I want. I would not make GT canon anyway.

 

[Pocket-Gog~]

1. I said why the Kanzenban is canon now.

2. Destroying character development is subjective

3. Marvel, DC, Star Wars, other animes, all use the same standards that are being used for DB

4. Super is said to be canon. Since they overwrite BoG and RoF, those are not canon anymore. They were retconned.

5. GT was never canon. AT doesn't consider it canon for himself. He said fans may, but I am using his own canon because it is more important than what I want. I would not make GT canon anyway.

1. You never actually managed to prove it.

2. It did, Vegeta's great speech at the end of the Buu saga is destroyed by it.

3. I'm referring to them being different in sense of canonicity, I.E Marvel, DC, and Star-wars all have clear cut canon.

4. Super is the official sequal, nothing about it being forced upon you as the one true canonical sequal, and even then you can still chose to have BOG and ROF over it.

5. GT is canon, at most it was considered a grand side story, and you are saying what you consider to be canon. You are only further proving my point on the matter.

 

[Six Trails]

To be fair, Toriyama did say that you could consider GT to be a continuation of the manga if you liked it.

鳥山明
Akira Toriyama"

its a perfect way to look at Dragon ball GT. For people who dont want it to be the real end to the dragon ball story, it is just a "side story" and for those who love it it can be part of the grand final story. Incredible that I had forgot about this.

He's just being nice but in reality, he despise it.

What do you base this on? You can't just make stuff up that you want to believe in a debate.

Also, "side-story" doesn't mean "non-canon". That's just arbitrary.

 

[SSJ2]

5. GT was never canon. AT doesn't consider it canon for himself. He said fans may, but I am using his own canon because it is more important than what I want. I would not make GT canon anyway

While true, it's also not factual.. He does leave it up to interpretation of the reader.

 

[Papasmurf]

AT's storylines in DBO and his storyboards for Super completely contradict GT so it can't be considered canon anyways.

 

[SSJ2]

Super contradicts the end of the manga..

 

[Pocket-Gog~]

AT's storylines in DBO and his storyboards for Super completely contradict GT so it can't be considered canon anyways.

If you don't like DBO and Super and if you like GT you can consider it the canonical sequal with Super and DBO being non canon.

 

[Papasmurf]

AT himself won't even answer questions about GT (SSJ4 etc.) while considering the Super manga as part of his own storyline. There's a clear cut difference there, even if his participation is less direct than it was with the original manga.

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

To be fair, Toriyama did say that you could consider GT to be a continuation of the manga if you liked it.

鳥山明
Akira Toriyama"

its a perfect way to look at Dragon ball GT. For people who dont want it to be the real end to the dragon ball story, it is just a "side story" and for those who love it it can be part of the grand final story. Incredible that I had forgot about this.

He's just being nice but in reality, he despise it.

What do you base this on? You can't just make stuff up that you want to believe in a debate.

Also, "side-story" doesn't mean "non-canon". That's just arbitrary.

yeah, that's why he abandoned GT and started his new series after Majin Boo Arc.

 

[~gog - tekcoP]

He's just being nice but in reality, he despise it.

What do you base this on? You can't just make stuff up that you want to believe in a debate.

Also, "side-story" doesn't mean "non-canon". That's just arbitrary.

yeah, that's why he abandoned GT and started his new series after Majin Boo Arc.

You should listen to Mr. Pocket he's really smart and cool!

 

[Zippy]

The cannon concept exists because there is shit in non-cannon that takes stuff from the original manga and takes a big shit on it.

Unfortunately there ain't no official canon, so you can pick and choose whatever the hell you want, even the bits that take stuff from the original manga and takes a big shit on it.

It makes more sense to pick what the original creator has worked on at the end of the day when such inconsistencies take place.

 

[Boo Brand Milk]

Canon in DB is Fake News.

 

[Six Trails]

yeah, that's why he abandoned GT and started his new series after Majin Boo Arc.

Maybe for money? I don't see how you can argue with a straight face that the whole reason Toriyama made Super was because "he hated GT so much".

 

[Pyro]

But it's clear he hated GT and wanted a second subpar series to make up for it.