Tosh's Fun Power Levels

[kriss-]

The Battle With The Saiyans

Goku
-Initial 5,000
-Power-Burst 8,000 (Temporary)
-Full Power 8,000
-Kaio-Ken 12,000
-Kaio-Kenx2 16,000
-Kaio-Kenx3 24,000

Piccolo
-Full Power 2,000
-Makankosappo 3,500 (Unseen)

Gohan
-Full Power 1,500
-Masenko 2,800
-Oozaru 10,000

Tienshinhan
-Full Power 1,830
-Kikoho 2,500

Kuririn
-Full Power 1,770
-Scattering Chi Blast 2,300

Yamcha
-Full Power Irrelevant

Saibamen
-Full Power 1,200

Nappa
-Initial 3,000
-Powered Up 3,600
-Calm 4,500
-Mouth Blast 7,000

Vegeta
-Initial 12,000
-Full Power 18,000
-Gallic Gun 24,000
-Post Beam Struggle 12,000
-Post Energy Ball 9,000
-Oozaru 90,000
-Post Spirit Bomb 6,000
-Post Final Ass-Whooping 1,000 (Oozaru Gohan)

Arrival On Namek

Vegeta
-Suppressed 16,000
-Full Power 24,000

Cui
-Full Power 18,000

Gohan
-Suppressed 1,500
-Full Power 1,800

Kuririn
-Suppressed 1,400
-Full Power 1,770

Freeza's Soldiers
-Full Power 1,000

Dodoria
-Full Power 20,000

Zarbon
-Full Power 21,000
-Monster 28,000

Nail
-Full Power 42,000

The Battle With The Ginyu Force

Vegeta
-Full Power 30,000

Gohan
-Full Power 15,000

Kuririn
-Full Power 14,000

Guldo
-Full Power 10,000

Recoome
-Full Power 40,000

Burtur
-Full Power 38,000

Goku
-Suppressed 5,000
-Powered Up 60,000
-Full Power 90,000
-Kaio-Kenx2 180,000
[-Kaio-Kenx10 900,000] (Unseen)

Vegeta (Post-Senzu Bean)
-Full Power 50,000

Jeice
-Full Power 36,000

Captain Ginyu
-Full Power 120,000

Ginyu (Goku's Body)
-Full Power 23,000

The Battle With Freeza

Vegeta
-Full Power 380,000

Gohan
-Full Power 200,000

Kuririn
-Full Power 75,000

Freeza 1rst Form
-Initial 400,000
-Full Power 530,000

Gohan
-Enraged 900,000

Freeza 2nd Form
-Initial 1,060,000
-Powered Up 1,200,000
-Full Power 1,500,000

Piccolo
-Weighted 1,250,000
-Unweighted 1,600,000

Freeza 3rd Form
-Full Power 2,000,000

Gohan
-Enraged 1,800,000

Vegeta
-Full Power 2,500,000

Freeza 4th Form
-Initial 2,400,000
-Powered Up 3,200,000

Goku
-Base 3,000,000
-Kaio-Kenx10 30,000,000
-Kaio-Kenx20 60,000,000
-Spirit Bomb 80,000,000
-SSj 150,000,000

Freeza
-Powered Up 3,200,000
-50% 60,000,000
-70% 84,000,000
-100% 120,000,000
[-Fan Speculation 148,000,000] (Unseen)

Arrival Of Trunks

Goku
-Base 3,600,000
-SSj 180,000,000

Trunks
-Base 3,200,000
-SSj 160,000,000

Vegeta
-Base 3,000,000

Piccolo
-Full Power 2,500,000

Gohan
-Full Power 2,000,000

Mecha Freeza
-Suppressed 100,000,000
-Full Power 135,000,000

King Cold
-Full Power 100,000,000

Arrival Of The Androids

Vegeta
-Base 6,000,000
-SSj 300,000,000

Goku
-Base 5,600,000
-Sick 200,000,000 (Draining quickly)
-SSj 280,000,000

Trunks
-Base 4,800,000
-SSj 240,000,000

Piccolo
-Full Power 225,000,000

Android 19
-Pre 90,000,000
-Post 180,000,000

Android 20
-Pre 100,000,000
-Post 160,000,000

Kamiccolo
-Weighted 400,000,000
-Unweighted 450,000,000

Android 17
-Full Power 425,000,000

Android 18
-Full Power 375,000,000

Imperfect Cell
-Initial 350,000,000

Cell Is Complete

Trunks
-Base 18,000,000
-SSj 900,000,000
-SSjG2 1,125,000,000
-SSjG3 1,800,000,000

Vegeta
-Base 20,000,000
-SSj 1,000,000,000
-SSjG2 1,250,000,000

Android 16
-Full Power 700,000,000

Imperfect Cell
-Post Ginger Town 700,000,000

Semi Perfect Cell
-Full Power 1,000,000,000

Perfect Cell
-Initial 1,200,000,000
-Silent Power-Up 1,600,000,000
-Power Bloated 2,000,000,000

The Cell Games

Kid Gohan
-Base 80,000,000
-Mssj 4,000,000,000
-SSj2 8,000,000,000

Goku
-Base 64,000,000
-50% 1,600,000,000
-Warming Up 2,000,000,000
-Mssj 3,200,000,000

Vegeta
-Base 48,000,000
-Mssj 2,400,000,000

Trunks
-Base 44,000,000
-Mssj 2,200,000,000

Piccolo
-Full Power 900,000,000

Cell Junior
-Full Power 2,500,000,000

Perfect Cell
-Silent Power Up 1,600,000,000
-Warming Up 2,000,000,000
-Powered Up 3,600,000,000
-Real Speed 4,400,000,000
-Full Power 5,400,000,000
-Power Bloated 6,000,000,000

Super Perfect Cell
-Full Power 7,200,000,000

The Majin Boo Saga

Goku
-Base 100,000,000
-Mssj 5,000,000,000
[-SSj2 Burst 8,000,000,000]
-SSj2 10,000,000,000
-SSj3 40,000,000,000

Vegeta Pre-Majin
-Base 75,000,000
[-Mssj 3,750,000,000]
[-SSj2 7,500,000,000]

Teen Gohan
-Base 60,000,000
-Mssj 3,000,000,000
-SSj2 6,000,000,000

Piccolo
-Full Power 1,200,000,000

Android 18
-Full Power 375,000,000

Kibito
-Full Power 900,000,000

Kaioshin
-Full Power 1,800,000,000

Pui-Pui
-Full Power 18,000

Yakon
-Full Power 90,000,000

Dabura
-Full Power 2,800,000,000

The Hatching Of Majin Boo

Majin Vegeta
-Base 100,000,000
-Mssj 5,000,000,000
-SSj2 10,000,000,000

Innocent Boo
-Initial 8,000,000,000
-Powered Up 12,000,000,000
-Full Power 15,000,000,0000

Goten Pre-Rosat
-Base 18,000,000
-SSj 900,000,000

Trunks Pre-Rosat
-Base 20,000,000
-SSj 1,000,000,000

Gotenks Pre-Rosat
-Base 180,000,000
-Mssj 9,000,000,000
[-Fan Speculation 18,000,000,000] (Unseen)

Z-Sword Gohan
-Base 120,000,000
-Mssj 6,000,000,000
-SSj2 12,000,000,000

Good Boo
-Full Power 6,000,000,000

Evil Boo
-Full Power 9,000,000,000

Super Boo
-Initial 15,000,000,000

The Fusion Saga

Goten Post-Rosat
-Base 30,000,000
-Mssj 1,500,000,000

Trunks Post-Rosat
-Base 30,000,000
-Mssjn 1,500,000,000

Gotenks Post-Rosat
-Base 270,000,000
-Mssj 13,500,000,000
-SSj3 27,000,000,000

Super Boo
-Initial 15,000,000,000
-Full Power 30,000,000,000

Ultimate Gohan
-Full Power 38,000,000,000

Super Boo (Gotenks Absorbed)
-Full Power 57,000,000,000

Super Boo (Gohan Absorbed)
-Full Power 68,000,000,000

Vegetto
-Base 12,000,000,000
-Mssj 600,000,000,000
[-SSj2 1,200,000,000,000]
[-SSj3 4,800,000,000,000]

Buff Boo
-Full Power 36,000,000,000

Goku
-SSj3 40,000,000,000

Kid Boo
-Initial 9,000,000,000
-Full Power 38,000,000,000

The Beerus Saga

Goku
-Base 100,000,000
-Mssj 5,000,000,000
-SSj2 10,000,000,000
-SSj3 40,000,000,000

Beerus
-1% 400,000,000,000
-Expected 5,000,000,000,000

Ultimate Gohan
-Full Power 38,000,000,000

Gotenks Post-Rosat
-Base 9,000,000,000
-Mssj 13,500,000,000
-SSj3 27,000,000,000

Piccolo
-Full Power 1,800,000,000

Raging Vegeta
-Base 32,000,000,000
-Mssj 1,600,000,000,000
-SSj2 3,200,000,000,000

Beerus
-10% 4,000,000,000,000

Goku (Failed SSJG)
-Base 72,000,000,000
-Mssj 3,600,000,000,000

Goku (Super Saiyan God)
-Initial 6,000,000,000,000
-Powered Up 12,000,000,000,000
-Powering Up 18,000,000,000,000
-Full Power 24,000,000,000,000

Beerus
-70% 28,000,000,000,000
-100% 40,000,000,000,000

Goku (Post-God)
-Base 25,000,000,000
-Mssj 1,250,000,000,000

The Freeza Saga

Gotenks Post-Rosat
-Base 9,000,000,000
-Mssj 13,500,000,000

Teen Gohan
-Base 100,000,000
-Mssj 5,000,000,000

Piccolo
-Full Power 2,400,000,000

Kuririn
-Full Power 200,000

Jaco
-Full Power 2,000

Freeza
-1rst Form 7,500,000,000

Ginyu (Tagoma's Body)
-Full Power 4,000,000,000

Tagoma
-Full Power 3,000,000,000

Goku
-Base 32,000,000,000
[-Mssj 1,600,000,000,000]
-SSJG SS 28,000,000,000,000

Vegeta
-Base 34,000,000,000
[-Mssj 1,700,000,000,000]
-SSJG SS 30,000,000,000,000

Freeza
-4th Form 30,000,000,000
-Golden Freeza 32,000,000,000,000

The Universal Tournament

Goku (Post-Rosat)
-Base 36,000,000,000
-Mssj 1,800,000,000,000
-SSJG SS 30,000,000,000,000
-Kaio-Ken 36,000,000,000,000

Botamo
-Full Power 18,000,000,000

Frost
-1rst Form 32,000,000,000
-4th Form 1,500,000,000,000
-Worn 1,000,000,000,000

Piccolo
-Full Power 1,200,000,000,000

Vegeta (Post-Rosat)
-Base 38,000,000,000
-Mssj 1,900,000,000,000
-SSJG SS 32,000,000,000,000

Magetta
-Initial 40,000,000,000
-Full Power 1,600,000,000,000

Cadda
-Base 38,000,000,000
-Mssj 1,900,000,000,000

Hit
-Full Power 32,000,000,000,000

Champa
-Full Power 36,000,000,000,000

Vados
-Full Power 70,000,000,000,000

Beerus
-100% 40,000,000,000,000

Whiss
-Full Power 60,000,000,000,000

End Of Z

Goku
-Base 36,000,000,000
[-Mssj 1,800,000,000,000]
[-SSJG SS 30,000,000,000,000]

Vegeta
-Base 38,000,000,000
[-Mssj 1,900,000,000,000]
[SSJG SS 32,000,000,000,000]

Piccolo
-Full Power 1,500,000,000,000

Ultimate Gohan
-Full Power 38,000,000,000

Goten
-Base 30,000,000
-Mssj 1,500,000,000

Trunks
-Base 30,000,000
-Mssj 1,500,000,000

Android 18
-Full Power 375,000,000

Gotenks
[-Base 9,000,000,000]
[-Mssj 13,500,000,000]
[-SSj3 27,000,000,000]

Good Boo
-Full Power 6,000,000,000

Oob
-Calm 5
-Enraged 38,000,000,000

 

[Six Trails]

I still don't get why fusions get different multipliers than regular Saiyans. Nothing ever implies that.

 

[kriss-]

I can have the Base form of Gotenks incredibly weak, or I can have him much stronger with a smaller multiplier, which would be better? He would still have to be below Goku SSj3 as a means not to contradict anything.


There is his fight scene with Super Boo, where he turns Super Saiyan and it doesn't imply or suggest a 50x increase. :elmo

 

[Six Trails]

I mean if you're going to have SS/SS3 Gotenks so weak, having his base be weak doesn't make it any different.

How does his fight scene with Boo not suggest or imply a 50x increase? Boo tanked Base Gotenks and was much stronger than SS Gotenks, which simply means Boo was over 50x base Gotenks at the time. What suggests otherwise?

 

[kriss-]

Tanking is completely inconsistent and isn't a reliable way of measuring fighters. I suppose if you want the multipliers to be consistent, than Vegetto would have to be insurmountably weaker as well, probably much, much weaker than Goku SSj3. Replicating what he did isn't too difficult. For example, Freeza versus Nail was a much larger gap.

 

[Tapion]

Having Gotenks above Goku also contradicts nothing considering that Goku could've surpassed him after the Buu Saga with a plot-haxxed boost to fit Super, like Piccolo being at best as strong as Namek Goku in the Trunks Saga, but after 3 years he is capable of thrashing someone that is implied to be stronger than Yardrat Goku, who was like 75x stronger than Piccolo before as a SSj..lol

Toriyama sayus that Goku's prime was a few years after Buu Saga, not exactly in that arc.

So, Gotenks > Goku is a possibility

 

[kriss-]

This interview is only a few months old: http://www.kanzenshuu.com/translations/dragon-ball-super-history-book-akira-toriyama-interview/

Akira Toriyama

Because I thought there was no way for any stronger guys to pop up, or for Goku to get any stronger than he already was.

Dragonball Super

Context: After Beerus has inspected Goku (in his regular, non-Super Saiyan state), and mentioned Goku having defeated Freeza
Beerus: “You don’t look like you’d possibly be able to beat him as you are now, but you’re one of those transforming Saiyans, right? You can turn into that Super Saiyan thing.”

Freeza > Goku Base (Db Super) =/= Goku Base (Boo Saga)

Context: After Beerus defeats angry Vegeta
Beerus: "It's been a long time since I've used 10% or so of my full strength. Well, this was more fun than with that Saiyan over at North Kaio's place."

After fighting Ultimate Gohan, Beerus is more impressed with Goku SSj3.

Link: http://www.saiyanisland.com/2013/03/akira-toriyama-interview/
Link: http://www.kanzenshuu.com/2013/05/20/akira-toriyama-directly-comments-on-dragon-ball-evolution/

Toriyama

Why did you chose to make this story after the Majin Buu saga?
Akira Toriyama: I wanted to use all of the characters, and I wondered which saga was the best, so I decided that it would be several years after Majin Buu showed up, and everyone was in their strongest condition at that time

Toriyama

but they were good ideas for presenting a crisis for the main characters, who had grown so strong that they’d reached a point where there was nothing higher.

Goku SSj3 (Db Super) =/= Goku SSj3 (Boo) > Ultimate Gohan (Db Super) =/= Ultimate Gohan (Boo)

 

[Tapion]

1. Goku is the main character and also the most popular, so he needs to get stronger to satisfy the fans. It is possible.

2. Okay?

3. Read what i said above, they were at their prime several years after the Buu Arc.

 

[kriss-]

Incorrect.

Toriyama's more recent interview says Goku couldn't get any stronger, he actually states this twice on two different interviews. The interview you're referring to is entirely subjective and can actually be swapped to mean two different things. But amidst two alternative interviews that side with my perspective, you're perspective is the incorrect one in the face of my evidence.

 

[withheldforprivacy]

Once more, too small gaps at Sixteen/Initial Semi Cell and SSJG2 Vegeta/Perfect Cell.
Base Gotenks post<Piccolo is laughable, unless you believe Piccolo thought someone much weaker than himself had a chance against Super Buu.

 

[Tapion]

Incorrect.

Toriyama's more recent interview says Goku couldn't get any stronger, he actually states this twice on two different interviews. The interview you're referring to is entirely subjective and can actually be swapped to mean two different things. But amidst two alternative interviews that side with my perspective, you're perspective is the incorrect one in the face of my evidence.

You're referring to two interviews:

1. The one where Toriyama says that everyone was at their prime, but he said that everyone was at their prime A FEW YEARS AFTER the Buu Arc. With a plot boost, Goku can get stronger than Gotenks and Gohan in those 3 years, since Piccolo in the Android Arc had a similar plot-haxxed boost where he got from as strong as Base Vegeta(who was probably weaker than Namek Goku) to being a tad weaker than Super Saiyan Trunks, so there's nothing saying that Goku can't have this plot boost.

2. One where Toriyama states that Goku couldn't get any stronger than he already was. However, that interview was contradicted by what Toriyama stated in the interview above(he says that Goku was at his prime a few years after the Buu Arc, not exactly in the Buu Arc. And as i said above, he can easily surpass Gotenks and Gohan with a plot-haxxed boost in those few years, like Piccolo's boost in the Android Saga or Freeza's boost in FNF) and since the interview about BOG is newer, then it takes the cake.

3. One where Toriyama states that the "main" characters couldn't get stronger - same thing as above.

 

[kriss-]

Once more, too small gaps at Sixteen/Initial Semi Cell and SSJG2 Vegeta/Perfect Cell.
Base Gotenks post<Piccolo is laughable, unless you believe Piccolo thought someone much weaker than himself had a chance against Super Buu.

The gaps should work fine. Sixteen & Vegeta SSjG2 could already be exhausted from their bout's.

I suppose I can go back to lowering the Metamoran multiplier, but not everyone will be happy with it. If GT is free to do so, why can't I? It doesn't need to have any supporting evidence or reason, as long as the end result is what's implied.

Incorrect.

Toriyama's more recent interview says Goku couldn't get any stronger, he actually states this twice on two different interviews. The interview you're referring to is entirely subjective and can actually be swapped to mean two different things. But amidst two alternative interviews that side with my perspective, you're perspective is the incorrect one in the face of my evidence.

You're referring to two interviews:

1. The one where Toriyama says that everyone was at their prime, but he said that everyone was at their prime A FEW YEARS AFTER the Buu Arc. With a plot boost, Goku can get stronger than Gotenks and Gohan in those 3 years, since Piccolo in the Android Arc had a similar plot-haxxed boost where he got from as strong as Base Vegeta(who was probably weaker than Namek Goku) to being a tad weaker than Super Saiyan Trunks, so there's nothing saying that Goku can't have this plot boost.

2. One where Toriyama states that Goku couldn't get any stronger than he already was. However, that interview was contradicted by what Toriyama stated in the interview above(he says that Goku was at his prime a few years after the Buu Arc, not exactly in the Buu Arc. And as i said above, he can easily surpass Gotenks and Gohan with a plot-haxxed boost in those few years, like Piccolo's boost in the Android Saga or Freeza's boost in FNF) and since the interview about BOG is newer, then it takes the cake.

3. One where Toriyama states that the "main" characters couldn't get stronger - same thing as above.

1. The first one is subjective, and it works in line with Toriyama's interview below.

2. This interview is the most recent interview and works in line with the subjective interview above, so he's more than likely talking about the Boo Saga.

3. The third one is a reference to the Boo Saga.

Everything references the Majin Boo Saga and nothing more.

 

[SSJ2]

Initial Vegeta on earth should be strong enough to deal with Kaioken Goku.

 

[ahill1]

Initial Vegeta on earth should be strong enough to deal with Kaioken Goku.

Yea, initial Vegeta should be a little bit above Kaioken Goku and yet be below 18,000. It's a little hard to have it, since Vegeta's power up ("or surface", if you want) was implied to be a big one, with Goku saying "wh-what a ki".

Goku Kaioken 16,100
Vegeta (initial) 16,500
Vegeta (full power) 18,000

It seems a little weird for Vegeta becoming only 9% stronger with that "power up".

 

[kriss-]

Erm...

Goku
-Base 8,000
-Kaio-Ken 12,000

Vegeta
-Initial 15,000
-Full Power 18,000

 

[Six Trails]

Kaioken doubles your battle power.

 

[kriss-]

Are you talking about the Super Saiyan God Blue Kaio-Ken? If so, you are simply laying unnecessary rules onto the technique and your fan made myths contradict the levels that Toriyama has given us. This is being arrogant for the simple sake of being arrogant.

 

[Six Trails]

It's not a fan made myth. It's stated by the narrator.

 

[kriss-]

Make the new Kaio-Ken multiplier work with Toriyama's levels, otherwise you're just being arrogant, there is no reason for that unless you dislike Super a whole lot.

 

[Six Trails]

Find a way to make Toriyama's numbers work with the stated Kaioken multiplier, otherwise you're just being arrogant.