Toyo thinks Gohan was SSJ2

[Dagon]

How strong do you put Z Sword fighters and what’s your evidence

Using only the manga or anime, Z-Sword SSJ2 Gohan can be high enough to somewhat compare with Fat Buu. Gohan should know the levels, and he suggested the idea of the Z-Sword training being the truth behind the legend. I guess 80% of Fat Buu at best.

Of course the Kakarot game gives the idea that SSJ Z-Sword level is a rival to Cell Games SSJ2 Gohan. This would put Z-Sword SSJ2 at double that and under half of SSJ3 Goku, and thus probably a lot less than 80% of Fat Buu.

if used together these can be reconciled as Gohan didn't know Fat Buu's full strength and only sensed a lesser level before going to the world of the Kais.

 

[Power Level Guy]

I don’t know how you manage to be such a purist on one end then use video games on another end lol.

Let’s figure out what we agree on.

Ssj Gohan Z = Ssj Trunks Z

do we agree on this?

 

[Animelover5487]

@Power Level Guy How do you fit Goku's statement of Dabura being Cell level, actually "much" stronger if Gohan wasn't a SSJ2?

 

[Power Level Guy]

@Power Level Guy How do you fit Goku's statement of Dabura being Cell level, actually "much" stronger if Gohan wasn't a SSJ2?

Dabura is Cell level as in the level of Cell Goku himself fought.

It’s not stronger but tougher. Dabura’s strength estimate hasn’t changed but his magic has made him a tougher opponent than Goku initially expected.

 

[Animelover5487]

Since when has anybody made a power statement to refer to someone at a weaker level than their peak? That makes no sense.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

Since when has anybody made a power statement to refer to someone at a weaker level than their peak? That makes no sense.

So Gamma 1 and 2 = UI Goku? And SSJG Goku = GoDs?

 

[Power Level Guy]

Since when has anybody made a power statement to refer to someone at a weaker level than their peak? That makes no sense.

Rare occurrences do happen. This would be one of them. Always assume full power, but the other forms of Cell have been disqualified.

It can’t be SPC, we already know that, it could possibly be PC’s full power, so long as you accept SSJ Vegeta > Dabura, go for it.

 

[Animelover5487]

Rare occurrences do happen. This would be one of them. Always assume full power, but the other forms of Cell have been disqualified.

It can’t be SPC, we already know that, it could possibly be PC’s full power, so long as you accept SSJ Vegeta > Dabura, go for it.

Vegeta had SSJ2 in his back pocket when he said he can beat Dabura

 

[Power Level Guy]

@Animelover5487

Sure, but SSJ2 isn’t needed to beat Dabura. Goku and Vegeta both claim superiority over Dabura yet they do not assume they have SSJ2.

If SSJ2 was required to beat Dabura, Goku wouldn’t have been shocked Vegeta had Super Saiyan 2.