Trunks' reaction to [Post-RoSaT] Piccolo

[Cell]

This is a conversation point to the people who believe Trunks to be surprised that Piccolo's level of power would be useless. And I guess for those people who have [CG] Piccolo well below [50% CG] Goku...

For reference:

Chapter: 392 (DBZ 198), P13.1-5
Goku: “Hey… Piccolo! Did you go into the Room of Spirit and Time?”
Piccolo: “Indeed.”
Goku: “I can tell! You’ve risen to an entirely different level.”
Piccolo: “…Why don’t you just be frank with me? I’ve grown stronger, but even so, it won’t do any good against Cell…”
Goku: “…Yeah, it won’t do any good.”

Goku's already told everyone he'd probably lose... so wouldn't Piccolo have to be at least at that same level, if not higher to be considered useful?

Trunks shouldn't be surprised if he was weaker than that... because he'd already know Piccolo stood no chance against Cell.

Wouldn't that mean that [Post-RoSaT] Piccolo >/>~ 50% Goku? At least... if you believe Trunks was reacting to that level of power be no good against Cell...

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

Or Trunks was probably surprised how Goku reacted like it was nothing. But I agree with that too.

 

[Void]

Yeah, I thought Trunks' reaction here is worth something. Combine that with Piccolo's on willingness to use the RoSaT after seeing ~50% Goku, plus the fact that Big Green was at least able to stand up to the Cell Jrs and I don't think its unreasonable at all to have him a bit over ~50% Goku.

 

[Pyro]

Yeah, everyone sure put their hopes in Piccolo after he came out of the roast. They weren't still focused on Galu at all.

 

[Void]

They were putting their hope in anyone who could fight Cell, Goku already said he wouldn't win. Trunks also wants to gauge Piccolo's power before he makes his second trip into the RoSaT, if he knows Piccolo will be of no use then Trunks knows he has to get stronger than that.

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

And Goku just trashed Piccolo's power just like that, what a savage! 2

 

[ahill1]

I agree OP. Precisely for this reason I do have Piccolo >= 50% Goku. His performance against the Cell Juniors being comparable to Vegeta and Trunks' is very telling too, imo.

Since I believe Piccolo >= 50% Goku, I don't think this thread was directed to me, but still...

 

[withheldforprivacy]

I agree OP. Precisely for this reason I do have Piccolo >= 50% Goku. His performance against the Cell Juniors being comparable to Vegeta and Trunks' is very telling too, imo.

Since I believe Piccolo >= 50% Goku, I don't think this thread was directed to me, but still...

50% MSSJ Goku- 50
Piccolo- 45
Cell Jrs- 52.5
Vegeta/Trunks- 55

 

[Future Warrior]

I have Piccolo a little over 1.1x 50% SS Goku to give Trunks' reaction some justification.

 

[SSJ2]

His sweat particle is the single most important find in the manga.

 

[Cell]

I agree OP. Precisely for this reason I do have Piccolo >= 50% Goku. His performance against the Cell Juniors being comparable to Vegeta and Trunks' is very telling too, imo.

Since I believe Piccolo >= 50% Goku, I don't think this thread was directed to me, but still...

It's actually directed more at people like:

50% MSSJ Goku- 50
Piccolo- 45
Cell Jrs- 52.5
Vegeta/Trunks- 55

Why would Trunks act surprised [at that level of power being useless] if Piccolo was 45 vs 50... Trunks should already be well aware that level would be useless against Cell.

Trunks is either surprised that a strength level at, or above, 50% Goku is useless... or he's surprised at something else. He'd have no reason to be surprised that a 45 is useless against something a 50 probably can't touch.

 

[Kyo]

His sweat particle is the single most important find in the manga.

Indeed. It is by far the most conclusive piece of evidence I have ever laid my eyes on.

 

[Void]

His sweat particle is the single most important find in the manga.

Where is your explanation, boy?

 

[xmysticgohanx]

Piccolo can be even at something like 45% of Goku and Trunks could still be surprised

It all depends on how big Trunks though he the gap between 50% Goku and Cell was

Idk where i have Piccolo btw

 

[p123]

The only fact here is that Trunks estimation of Cell's strength has changed drastically. Piccolo expected Cell to be much stronger, but still held on hope he wasn't. He felt foolish for ever thinking his power was relevant at all.

So the only way to get to this is if Piccolo is at least somewhere on Goku's level. No other options really make sense.

1) Piccolo >> 50% Goku, well this doesn't make sense because Piccolo doesn't really get the star treatment here. Imagine if Piccolo was a 60 to Goku's 50. Trunks and company would probably think that Piccolo would be their savior and save them from Cell now wouldn't they? The scene depicts the same quiet anxiety, waiting for death and hoping for a new option that was shown before. They are alone with their thoughts, trying to figure out a possibility other than the inevitable. Remember, without Gohan's rage, their chances were completely hopeless. Imagine the way the Cell Games plays out without Gohan there? It's depressing as fuck. That is what is in their minds the whole time. So as I mentioned, Piccolo never becomes the hero here as Pyro pointed out.

2) 50% Goku >> Piccolo, this doesn't work because it makes bringing up Piccolo's power pointless and there would be no reason for shock. If Piccolo was a 25 to Goku's 50, why would anyone be shocked about Piccolo's power being useless? Trunks being shocked at Goku's bluntness is silly. There are bigger things on the line rather than someone's bluntness here, the whole world, universe, timeline is at stake.

So overall, Piccolo is generally on a level within Goku's range. Piccolo being around the vicinity of Goku's previous power makes sense to me. I think Trunks learning that Goku's 50% power probably couldn't win changing to has no chance in hell is what the shock is out. This is exactly when the estimation for Cell skyrockets to Piccolo and Trunks and they shit themselves.



50% Goku = Probably can't beat Cell.
Piccolo rivals 50% Goku = Doesn't have a chance in hell against Cell.

This is what causes the shock to Trunks and this is what confirms Piccolo's fears and he feels sheepish for even thinking that his power was anything.

One of the few times Piccolo ever feels like a real fool in the story and he even had the inside track on this thought.