Underrated Gaps

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1) Cell only hides from Vegeta because Vegeta would be able to slow him down and allow Piccolo to catch him. Vegeta is now a respectable level to Cell, which is shocked, but Vegeta's opinion holds more weight here, Cell is an absurdly large power, he's well beyond Vegeta.

2) English Dubbed says Cell took no damage. Who to believe? I'll go with the best translated, official source here. It should be more than slightly, Reecome is bloodied, his entire battle jacket destroyed, his hair is gone, clothes in tatters, and he's smoking. Cell looks otherwise unbothered. The blast did move him though, that's for sure, we just don't know how to picture how it all went down. It's a strange scenario ain't it?

3) He overdid it a little means he didn't have to hit the poor lad so hard. Doesn't really say anything about how much more he could access, nothing suggests he had anymore in the tank from what I saw.

1. Vegeta had used to believe that, as a Super Saiyan, he was an power unrivaled in the universe. Anything close to
his level would seem absurd to him. No need to hax the gap between SSJs/Androids by giving Ginger Cell a large edge.

2. The fact that it pushed him means he doesn't have to be >> Light Grenade. I have Recoome equal to Prototype FF and Cell
about 10% above LG.

3. I think he'd have worded it differently if that was his full power.

 

[Victorious]

Piccolo held Gero in place like Vegeta held Dodoria.

 

[Victorious]

1) Cell only hides from Vegeta because Vegeta would be able to slow him down and allow Piccolo to catch him. Vegeta is now a respectable level to Cell, which is shocked, but Vegeta's opinion holds more weight here, Cell is an absurdly large power, he's well beyond Vegeta.

2) English Dubbed says Cell took no damage. Who to believe? I'll go with the best translated, official source here. It should be more than slightly, Reecome is bloodied, his entire battle jacket destroyed, his hair is gone, clothes in tatters, and he's smoking. Cell looks otherwise unbothered. The blast did move him though, that's for sure, we just don't know how to picture how it all went down. It's a strange scenario ain't it?

3) He overdid it a little means he didn't have to hit the poor lad so hard. Doesn't really say anything about how much more he could access, nothing suggests he had anymore in the tank from what I saw.

1. Vegeta had used to believe that, as a Super Saiyan, he was an power unrivaled in the universe. Anything close to
his level would seem absurd to him. No need to hax the gap between SSJs/Androids by giving Ginger Cell a large edge.

2. The fact that it pushed him means he doesn't have to be >> Light Grenade. I have Recoome equal to Prototype FF and Cell
about 10% above LG.

3. I think he'd have worded it differently if that was his full power.

Shitty gaps

 

[p123]

I just ignore him now Vic.

Piccolo held Gero? Are you anime-ing again?

 

[Victorious]

Oh yeah we don't know if Gero stopped in mid air against Piccolo's knee. Anime has him tumbling into the side of a canyon. In the manga its impossible to.tell either way.

 

[p123]

He gets launched and stops under his own power. I already have him near a Vegeta v Dodoria level. It's fine...

 

[p123]

Base Kids vs 18. What's this gap look like? Or are they on the same level?

 

[Six Trails]

I would argue that the kids are slightly stronger.

 

[p123]

18 doesn't appear to be going all out, but imagine fighting someone while on someone else's shoulders. That's insane.

 

[Victorious]

He gets launched and stops under his own power. I already have him near a Vegeta v Dodoria level. It's fine...

How can u tell? Anime has him hit the side of a canyon. All I see in the manga as him making a pissed face. Can't see his body. Show the panel.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

Dodoria wasn't one shotted.

When people say one shotted, they mean literally one punch. A ki blast completely changes things.

The argument still stands though. Cell hides, sees Vegeta, and then jumps and vaporizes him with one swift blast. One less threat. Or at least he can knock him out and then drink him... It's not like Piccolo will find him from a quick burst he sensed.

Base Kids vs 18. What's this gap look like? Or are they on the same level?

I'd say the kids are somewhat stronger. Trunks implies they could win if not by the suit.

 

[p123]

Cell is suppressing his ki. It doesn't make any sense for him to do so anymore than for Krillen and Gohan to kill some scout while hiding from Vegeta.

 

[ahill1]

I have got Cell at 88% of Vegeta.

Piccolo at 50% of Imperfect Cell.

#16 at 50% of Semi Cell (initially).

And so on...

 

[p123]

You mean Super Saiyan Vegeta is 88% of Initial Imperfect Cell?

Piccolo can't possibly be that strong. Piccolo is using his ultimate attack against Cell. Cell gives no fucks about the attack and tanks it on a level that only Piccolo Daimao v Goku's Kamehameha and Raditz v Piccolo's Ki Blast can rival. There's really not many other examples of someone flat out tanking someone's strongest attack like this. We see examples of people not taking damage, but usually they are blocking and focusing their power on defense.

Cell on the other hand, gives no indication he's even trying to block or defend at all. Cell looks completely nonchalant, like he's taking a stroll on a beautiful sunny day without a care in the world. That's a ridiculous feat. Cell should at minimum be 3x in my opinion.

16 vs Semi Cell and Super Vegeta vs Perfect Cell being 50% and Piccolo vs 17 are all good at that range. It's a good baseline.

 

[ahill1]

You mean Super Saiyan Vegeta is 88% of Initial Imperfect Cell?

Piccolo can't possibly be that strong. Piccolo is using his ultimate attack against Cell. Cell gives no fucks about the attack and tanks it on a level that only Piccolo Daimao v Goku's Kamehameha and Raditz v Piccolo's Ki Blast can rival. There's really not many other examples of someone flat out tanking someone's strongest attack like this. We see examples of people not taking damage, but usually they are blocking and focusing their power on defense.

Cell on the other hand, gives no indication he's even trying to block or defend at all. Cell looks completely nonchalant, like he's taking a stroll on a beautiful sunny day without a care in the world. That's a ridiculous feat. Cell should at minimum be 3x in my opinion.

16 vs Semi Cell and Super Vegeta vs Perfect Cell being 50% and Piccolo vs 17 are all good at that range. It's a good baseline.

Yes, I mean Vegeta at 88% of Cell.

Didn't you say you don't agree with the amplification suggested to energy attacks in the Raditz saga? So if the GekirestsuKodan doesn't need to have that much of an amplification, then I don't see why Cell should be that stronger than Piccolo. 2x is already plently to conform with Piccolo' reactions to Cell's chi and to the feats displayed in the fight.

 

[p123]

Well I believe in correlation.

So I have Goku's Kamehameha around 1.66 instead of it's usual 2.22x. This allows me to have a more manageable progression as I build it up over the course of the series.

I have the Cell/Buu Saga amplifications topping out around 2x or so, besides Final Flash/Final Explosion. So, I have Piccolo's Light Grenade as a 2x blast.

The best thing about people who follow scouter numbers is that I will get to fuck with them about this very issue. Sure, even if you think Goku's cells were taken from the Vegeta fight and his Kamehameha was weakened compared to his regular, you still have to go on explaining why Piccolo's ultimate attack pales in comparison to Goku's Saiyan Saga Kamehameha. That just isn't going to be realistic.

Piccolo's Light Grenade > Goku's Kamehameha v Raditz should be common sense here.

So I look forward to terrorizing future power level lists of others with this very issue. I will present it in very simple terms. Hey, why do you think Piccolo, no, KAMICCOLO's most powerful attack is weaker than Goku's from years ago? Oh and here's another thing. Remember how Raditz handled Goku's Kamehameha? Great. Clearly Cell is stronger than the Light Grenade much more than Raditz is over the Kamehameha right? Great... So why aren't you showing that in your numbers? Oh wait, you have Raditz at 1,500? Even better... Muhahahah. Can't wait for the fun to begin.

 

[Victorious]

Raditz ain't no 1,500.

 

[p123]

Of course he's not. But for those dummies who do go with that, I can't wait. Even more so, because I despise the 1,500 Raditz guys. Then I just make it very simple for them.

Umm, excuse me sir. Mr. Daizenshuu lover. Yes, over here. You have Goku's Kamehameha at 61% of Raditz's power, yet you have Piccolo's Light Grenade at 85% of Cell's power. Can you tell me why Raditz is shaking in his boots, running away from it and blocked it with his hand with full force while Cell takes a dump waiting to be hit in the face with it. And oh yea, can you tell me why Light Grenade is a 1.25x boost for you? That's madness, you do realize that right? Fun times it will be.

 

[ahill1]

Of course he's not. But for those dummies who do go with that, I can't wait. Even more so, because I despise the 1,500 Raditz guys. Then I just make it very simple for them.

Umm, excuse me sir. Mr. Daizenshuu lover. Yes, over here. You have Goku's Kamehameha at 61% of Raditz's power, yet you have Piccolo's Light Grenade at 85% of Cell's power. Can you tell me why Raditz is shaking in his boots, running away from it and blocked it with his hand with full force while Cell takes a dump waiting to be hit in the face with it. And oh yea, can you tell me why Light Grenade is a 1.25x boost for you? That's madness, you do realize that right? Fun times it will be.

And... they will likely dismiss the whole thing with a "I pay no attention to gaps".

 

[p123]

Yep, then I will ask what the purpose of their list is if they don't care about percentage gaps.