VEGETA, HAS HE ACCOMPLISHED SOMETHING GOHAN HASN'T ON HIS OWN?

[VampireWicked]

I was watching this video & thought how much this could be a real possibility.

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If Vegeta understands & has learned how to tap into the benefits that rage gives Saiyans, then the possibilities for usage could be applied everywhere to anywhere to Saiyan.

Rage Boosts aren't newly added & is so obvious its been brought up & discussed time & time again but IF Vegeta has learned how to tap into it & utilise it to the point he actually makes Jiren put forth series effort then this would put him in on a high tier.

Utlising Rage Boosts he could beat possibility:
Beerus
Belmod
Any Gods Of Destruction below those two.
The initial Tournament of Power SuperSaiyan Blue Kaioken x20 Goku


This would also hammer even hard in how in this type of manner Rage Boosts aren't solely exclusive to Gohan, & remove a level of uniqueness to the Gohan character himself.

Does this seem like a real possibility or nonsense ?


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[Fantastische Hure]

And Gohan has accomplished something Vegeta hasn't.

He actually defeated a main-villain.

 

[Void]

And Gohan has accomplished something Vegeta hasn't.

He actually defeated a main-villain.

Which he would've been unable to do without Vegeta.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

And Gohan has accomplished something Vegeta hasn't.

He actually defeated a main-villain.

Which he would've been unable to do without Vegeta.

Vegeta did act as a good little side-kick in that moment, I agree.

 

[VampireWicked]

And Gohan has accomplished something Vegeta hasn't.

He actually defeated a main-villain.

Which he would've been unable to do without Vegeta.

Vegeta did act as a good little side-kick in that moment, I agree.

Right, Moran.......i mean Gohan has always needed some kinda support, & his victory over PerfectCell was practically handed to him to begin with.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

Which he would've been unable to do without Vegeta.

Vegeta did act as a good little side-kick in that moment, I agree.

Right, Moran.......i mean Gohan has always needed some kinda support, & his victory over PerfectCell was practically handed to him to begin with.

How? If Vegeta could have defeated Cell he would have done so. Gohan was the only one at the time, capable of defeating him, so no it wasn't handed to him. He got a little help, sure but you're acting as if Gohan's taking credit for Vegeta defeating Cell, which never happened.

 

[SSJ2]

Vegeta's Final Flash is what actually vaporized Cell. Do not be mislead.

 

[VampireWicked]

Vegeta did act as a good little side-kick in that moment, I agree.

Right, Moran.......i mean Gohan has always needed some kinda support, & his victory over PerfectCell was practically handed to him to begin with.

How? If Vegeta could have defeated Cell he would have done so. Gohan was the only one at the time, capable of defeating him, so no it wasn't handed to him. He got a little help, sure but you're acting as if Gohan's taking credit for Vegeta defeating Cell, which never happened.

What do you mean how.
If it wasn't for Goku Gohan would not've achieved the SuperSaiyan transformation at that time, probably not at all during Z.

Goku spent more time & focus on training & motivating Gohan then actually training himself.
Goku actually handed a win to Gohan, the plot centered around just that, a hand off to Gohan. Just like the Majin saga Gohan has power & opportunity handed to him.

Do you honestly believe that if Goku solely trained himself that he could not defeat PerfectCell or even Full Powered PerfectCell ?

Vegeta's Final Flash is what actually vaporized Cell. Do not be mislead.

Yup.
If it Vegeta aimed more towards PerfectCell he would've destroyed him completely.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

Right, Moran.......i mean Gohan has always needed some kinda support, & his victory over PerfectCell was practically handed to him to begin with.

How? If Vegeta could have defeated Cell he would have done so. Gohan was the only one at the time, capable of defeating him, so no it wasn't handed to him. He got a little help, sure but you're acting as if Gohan's taking credit for Vegeta defeating Cell, which never happened.

What do you mean how.
If it wasn't for Goku Gohan would not've achieved the SuperSaiyan transformation at that time, probably not at all during Z.

Goku spent more time & focus on training & motivating Gohan then actually training himself.
Goku actually handed a win to Gohan, the plot centered around just that, a hand off to Gohan. Just like the Majin saga Gohan has power & opportunity handed to him.

Do you honestly believe that if Goku solely trained himself that he could not defeat PerfectCell or even Full Powered PerfectCell ?

Vegeta's Final Flash is what actually vaporized Cell. Do not be mislead.

Yup.
If it Vegeta aimed more towards PerfectCell he would've destroyed him completely.

Yes, actually I do believe it. Don't be blinded by fan-boyism. The entire Cell Saga was talking about how most characters had hit their ceiling and that ceiling was lower than Cell. Gohan was their only hope. That's what the story laid-out.

 

[VampireWicked]

You were faster & stronger when you fought Kakarot!

Proves Jiren adjusts his power accordingly, so it does not mean HIT equals SuperSaiyan Blue Kaioken x20.

How? If Vegeta could have defeated Cell he would have done so. Gohan was the only one at the time, capable of defeating him, so no it wasn't handed to him. He got a little help, sure but you're acting as if Gohan's taking credit for Vegeta defeating Cell, which never happened.

What do you mean how.
If it wasn't for Goku Gohan would not've achieved the SuperSaiyan transformation at that time, probably not at all during Z.

Goku spent more time & focus on training & motivating Gohan then actually training himself.
Goku actually handed a win to Gohan, the plot centered around just that, a hand off to Gohan. Just like the Majin saga Gohan has power & opportunity handed to him.

Do you honestly believe that if Goku solely trained himself that he could not defeat PerfectCell or even Full Powered PerfectCell ?

Vegeta's Final Flash is what actually vaporized Cell. Do not be mislead.

Yup.
If it Vegeta aimed more towards PerfectCell he would've destroyed him completely.

Yes, actually I do believe it. Don't be blinded by fan-boyism. The entire Cell Saga was talking about how most characters had hit their ceiling and that ceiling was lower than Cell. Gohan was their only hope. That's what the story laid-out.

Then you interrupted it differently then myself cause It's not fanism as hitting a ceiling would make zero sense at that point.

Having the saga introduce the concept of Grades for the SuperSaiyan transformation if ceiling was that low as it would be pointless.

Grades & Mastered are the examples of literally pushing further then what the initial transformation has to offer.

There would not be an AscendedSaiyan transformation for Vegeta or Goku if either could not go beyond that initial SuperSaiyan ceiling.

The Majin Spell itself would not've worked for Vegeta if it was impossible to reach beyond that initial SuperSaiyan ceiling.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

At that point, they hit a ceiling. Later-on like always it seemed their potential grew, but as it was at that point they were basically maxed-out.

 

[VampireWicked]

At that point, they hit a ceiling. Later-on like always it seemed their potential grew, but as it was at that point they were basically maxed-out.

It seems like it but i don't necessarily agree because i think it was more that Akira Toriyama ran out of ideas.
The series seemed as if there was no other direction to go & i also think it's because Akira Toriyama made them to linear & that's the difference i'm seeing in Dragon Ball SUPER's anime.

Dragon Ball Z Akira Toriyama made it all about scaling, getting stronger, the bigger power wins plain as that.

SUPER on the other hand recently (I say recently because i've missed a TON of episodes) has mixed in the subtle importance of technique & brought back the concept of it's not always pure strength that wins out plain as that but a good strategy from a weaker character may not get the win but can put up a good fight & even stand against stronger characters.

And Z lost that logic i think mid Namek saga.
The characters weren't necessarily maxed out, Gohan & the potential unlock, SuperSaiyan Grades, are all proof each state or transformation can be mastered but Akira Toriyama just ran dry at that point in Z & that time away from Dragon Ball to the start of SUPER was i think a good thing.