Vegeta (Oozaru), Goku (Kkx5), Nail, Gohan & Kuririn vs The Ginyu Force
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Hate to say it but Ginyu force takes this because Vegeta's speed doesn't increase.
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Ginyu Force would be too fast for him to one shot.
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A weakened Goku managed to evade it though.
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He is stronger than tall of them but his speed remained 18k.Saylé said:
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Vegeta shot his mouth blast because he was too slow to counter Goku in time, so obviously his blast travels at a much quicker rate. Considering a battle power of 180,000 made Ginyu and the entire Ginyu Force shit themselves, it's safe to determine that they would here as well. Regardless if they can evade Vegeta in hand to hand combat, a blast of 180,000 that comes near any of them, including Ginyu, will utterly destroy them.
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Ok, one of their team will cut Vegeta's tail that way he's done.
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Vegeta specifically mentions choosing the night of a full moon to allow them to get the job done faster, and is likely the primary method Saiyans relied on to conquer planets for Freeza. Vegeta apparently uses the form enough that he can retain conscious control over it, unlike Goku and Gohan.
He isn't stupid enough to take out the Ginyu Force since it would only be a pointless act of treason towards Freeza, but without the immortality of the Dragon Balls to fall back on. If the Saiyan trio would be off conquering planets while the Ginyu Force are out doing their own missions, the opportunity could never arise where they'd be on the same planet with a full moon anyways.
The Oozaru is not established to reduce a Saiyan's speed, and Goku even expresses the opposite. Vegeta also tells Kui on Namek that when his battle power increases, so does his speed, and does not limit that statement to his near-death experience.
Speed has actually been expressed by the characters consistently throughout the story to not correspond with the size of one's Ki, it just often does anyways. Tenshinhan believes Goku increased his power but not his speed at the 23rd Tenkaichi Budokai, Piccolo admits his inferior power but believes he's still faster than Freeza who just transformed a 2nd time, and Gohan is confident that he's faster than Majin Buu who's power had caused him to tremble in fear:
So Vegeta's line should not be taken as some universal explicative, it would probably just apply to his own experience up till then, since he uses the possessive "my". Which makes sense because a character can raise their Ki through meditation which is hard to see how that could affect a person's speed when they're just sitting still. The Grade forms of SSJ exemplify this precisely, where the reason Vegeta and Trunks' Grade II forms may have granted an increase in speed was due to their training in the form extensively after achieving it, unlike Goku.
Vegeta specifically mentions choosing the night of a full moon to allow them to get the job done faster, and is likely the primary method Saiyans relied on to conquer planets for Freeza. Vegeta apparently uses the form enough that he can retain conscious control over it, unlike Goku and Gohan.
He isn't stupid enough to take out the Ginyu Force since it would only be a pointless act of treason towards Freeza, but without the immortality of the Dragon Balls to fall back on. If the Saiyan trio would be off conquering planets while the Ginyu Force are out doing their own missions, the opportunity could never arise where they'd be on the same planet with a full moon anyways.
The Oozaru is not established to reduce a Saiyan's speed, and Goku even expresses the opposite. Vegeta also tells Kui on Namek that when his battle power increases, so does his speed, and does not limit that statement to his near-death experience.
Speed has actually been expressed by the characters consistently throughout the story to not correspond with the size of one's Ki, it just often does anyways. Tenshinhan believes Goku increased his power but not his speed at the 23rd Tenkaichi Budokai, Piccolo admits his inferior power but believes he's still faster than Freeza who just transformed a 2nd time, and Gohan is confident that he's faster than Majin Buu who's power had caused him to tremble in fear:
So Vegeta's line should not be taken as some universal explicative, it would probably just apply to his own experience up till then, since he uses the possessive "my". Which makes sense because a character can raise their Ki through meditation which is hard to see how that could affect a person's speed when they're just sitting still. The Grade forms of SSJ exemplify this precisely, where the reason Vegeta and Trunks' Grade II forms may have granted an increase in speed was due to their training in the form extensively after achieving it, unlike Goku.
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What are you trying to prove? That Vegeta's speed increased as well when he transformed into Oozaru form?
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Lol Oozaru Vegeta wouldn't land a single hit
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Goku just said Oozaru Vegeta was faster than he expected. Nothing more was stated.
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He said he was still very fast, despite his immense size. But no speed increase was actually noted despite him being multi-fold his base form. The form may not appear to slow him down, but there's nothing indicating it made him faster either.
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If he was never said to be faster, there's more merit to his speed remaining the same.
