Vegeta Saga Discussion

[FeatsofPower]

Piccolo tells Gohan to run, despite showcasing an enraged power that surpasses himself.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

Piccolo tells Gohan to run, despite showcasing an enraged power that surpasses himself.

Yeah Nappa >>>>>> Gohan. Duh.

 

[FeatsofPower]

Yeah Nappa >>>>>> Gohan. Duh.

Wasn't the original plan for Gohan to kill Nappa? It feels like post Kikoho, he no longer thinks Gohan can do it. Also, with Gohan finally tapping into his rage, shouldn't Piccolo tell him "Now is the time Gohan, release your energy!" But Piccolo has no confidence in Gohan at all here. I think this moment all occurred during the Kikoho. It doesn't mean Masenko can't surpass it, but it's a telling moment of when Piccolo's confidence completely dropped.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

Wasn't the original plan for Gohan to kill Nappa? It feels like post Kikoho, he no longer thinks Gohan can do it. Also, with Gohan finally tapping into his rage, shouldn't Piccolo tell him "Now is the time Gohan, release your energy!" But Piccolo has no confidence in Gohan at all here. I think this moment all occurred during the Kikoho. It doesn't mean Masenko can't surpass it, but it's a telling moment of when Piccolo's confidence completely dropped.

Remember the original plan was for Kuririn and Piccolo to distract Nappa for Gohan to kill him. Piccolo always knew Gohan couldn’t beat Nappa in a fair fight.

Problem is, Gohan chickened out. He’s simply not reliable because he doesn’t want to fight. Piccolo is still willing to let Gohan try when they go for the tail, but that’s because he’s their only shot.

 

[FeatsofPower]

Remember the original plan was for Kuririn and Piccolo to distract Nappa for Gohan to kill him. Piccolo always knew Gohan couldn’t beat Nappa in a fair fight.

Sure, the goal is for them to surprise Nappa and take him off guard.

Problem is, Gohan chickened out. He’s simply not reliable because he doesn’t want to fight. Piccolo is still willing to let Gohan try when they go for the tail, but that’s because he’s their only shot.

Exactly. Piccolo seems to abandon his SBC gameplan he used against Raditz near instantly once he met Gohan. Gohan has always been the plan.

So Gohan needs to be significantly above Piccolo.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

Sure, the goal is for them to surprise Nappa and take him off guard.


Exactly. Piccolo seems to abandon his SBC gameplan he used against Raditz near instantly once he met Gohan. Gohan has always been the plan.

So Gohan needs to be significantly above Piccolo.

Agreed, though the SBC seems to have been ditched for other reasons since he never used it again.

 

[FeatsofPower]

Agreed, though the SBC seems to have been ditched for other reasons since he never used it again.

It just takes too long. Don't have time to charge up all day. Piccolo and Krillen are only providing Gohan with a small window of opportunity, perhaps 5-10 seconds at most, that's all is realistically available.

One of the issues I really don't like now is that Raditz seems to imply he's stronger than Gohan by saying that Gohan surpasses Goku.

I don't like Raditz > Gohan.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

That line about Gohan is just an argument people use to justify Raditz being 1500. It doesn’t have to mean Raditz > Gohan.

 

[FeatsofPower]

That line about Gohan is just an argument people use to justify Raditz being 1500. It doesn’t have to mean Raditz > Gohan.

Its weird for Raditz not to acknowledge being surpassed

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

Its weird for Raditz not to acknowledge being surpassed

Maybe, but not really strong evidence. That hit he took speaks for itself.

 

[FeatsofPower]

Maybe, but not really strong evidence. That hit he took speaks for itself.

That’s usually how I take it it’s funny I don’t know if AT even knows how strong Raditz is

 

[Kyo]

Raditz’s Gohan > Goku statement is just made because of the context of the scene, it’s not meant to tell us anything we don’t already know. He’s saying it to Goku incredulously because Goku’s acting all worried for his son — “the kid’s even stronger than you are, dude.” It doesn’t have to mean that Raditz wasn’t surpassed.