Vegeta Saga

[p123]

Nappa (Vs Z Team) ~ 2,800 = Masenko > Kikoho > Scattering Bullet > Suicide Attacks (Chaozu/Saibamen) > Piccolo > Tien > Krillen > Yamcha > Saibamen > Gohan /Chaozu > Yajirobe

Do we agree on this?

 

[SSJ2]

Why is initial Nappa = Masenko?

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

Chaozu's Kamikaze fazed Nappa, Kuririn's blast didn't even scratch him.

I would have Kikoho > Masenko and swap Yajirobe and Chaozu's places as well, but that's only personal preference.

 

[Victorious]

Scattering bullet doesn't have to be stronger than Piccolo.

 

[withheldforprivacy]

Nappa (Vs Z Team) ~ 2,800 = Masenko > Kikoho > Scattering Bullet > Suicide Attacks (Chaozu/Saibamen) > Piccolo > Tien > Krillin > Yamcha > Saibamen > Gohan /Chaozu > Yajirobe

Do we agree on this?

Nope.

Saibaimen: 1200
Yamcha: 1.350
Gohan: 1.400
Krillin: 1.500
Tenshinhan: 1.600
Piccolo: 2.000
Chaozu's 'Allahu Akbar': 2.400
Gohan (true power): 2.100
Gohan's massenko: 2.800
Initial Nappa: 3.200
Tenshinhan's tri beam: 3.500
Krillin's mega ball: 10.000 (then splits into 5 balls of 2.000 each)

 

[p123]

Gohan looked helpless against the Saibaman. Piccolo had to save him. Can't really justify him being stronger than them imo.

Suicide Attacks > Scattering Bullet?

Masenko should be the strongest imo, it's from the strongest character and Nappa has to take it serious. Sure, he kicks it back, but it caused more damage than anything else.

 

[Evil Vegeta]

Gohan knocked the shit outta Nappa when he got serious. He should be way higher on that chart.

 

[p123]

How much higher? He's not going to be stronger than 2,800. Oh I see, you think that's his normal power. I think it's his rage power. I gotta look at that again though.

 

[Evil Vegeta]

Vegeta's scouter appeared to note Gohan's increase the moment he yelled out loud. So we know his rage was on display right before he charged the Masenko. In the above, Vegeta doesn't appear to note any significant change in that moment, but we know he's gotta be higher than the 981 to knock Nappa away the way he did.

Piccolo told Gohan if he "puts his mind to it", his power would surpass his own. I'm not sure what Gohan's normal power is supposed to be. Seems like his outburst is being taken into consideration for Piccolo to be making a statement like that.

 

[p123]

Well Piccolo keeps trying to set up Gohan to hit the finishing blast on Nappa. I don't know though, how powerful do you think Gohan is here?

 

[Evil Vegeta]

Good question. In that moment, I like to have him around 2,300 or so. Enough for him to be above Piccolo, yet still be below the Masenko. Piccolo's reaction there is basically the same as it was when Gohan hit Raditz and destroyed that mountain. The type of reaction that says, "I can't do that shit". I really don't see Piccolo being capable of that at his level.

We know the two big Chi powers are Gohan and Piccolo. This might imply there's no significant difference between them at that point.

The start of Gohan's rage quickly gets the scouter's attention.

Gohan's power seemed to quickly jump to 2,800 right as soon as he got in the Masenko stance. That tells me his enraged level prior to that likely wasn't that far behind.

Based on everything we know: Masenko>Gohan's Outburst>Gohan's kick

Another thing to take note of is that Vegeta's scouter was off for awhile, so Gohan's power could've been around the 2k area once he stopped acting like a bitch. Gohan was about to attack Nappa before Piccolo got elbowed, after all. If not in the 2k area, slightly below it. Well above 981 at the very least.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

P why you think Kuririn's homing blast > Kamikaze attacks? I would think an attack that you literally gave your life for would be stronger than a generic blast.

 

[Victorious]

Gohan himself is probably around 2,800 IMO. His amp ability is shitty at this point.

 

[p123]

You aren't leaving much spacing for all of that EV.

You are probably right GS

I think he has to have at least some amp Vic. 1.25x or something. Or else, what's the point?

 

[Victorious]

To shoot a ranged attack. Maybe 1.2x or something but its very low IMO.

 

[p123]

Yea, I think Masenko is 1.2 or 1.25x. Probably on par with original Kamehameha. Or a bit weaker actually. I think Vegeta has the strongest ki amplification attacks.

 

[Victorious]

Yes at this moment Vegeta has the strongest ki amplification attacks. Aside from Piccolo's ridiculous Makankosappo.

 

[sei'taer]

At this point gohan putting his mind to it isn't all that different from his rage boosts. That was the whole reason piccolo wanted to train him to begin with, to get him to use that power at will.

3rd'd on vegeta having the highest chi amplification during that saga.

 

[withheldforprivacy]

1. Gohan looked helpless against the Saibaman. Piccolo had to save him. Can't really justify him being stronger than them imo.

2. Suicide Attacks > Scattering Bullet?

3. Masenko should be the strongest imo, it's from the strongest character and Nappa has to take it serious. Sure, he kicks it back, but it caused more damage than anything else.

1. Vegeta clearly stated that scouter numbers were their suppressed states. So, the 981 reading does not mean shit. Unless you want to
argue that Gohan raised his power by 1.5x after a few weeks of image training. Piccolo saved Gohan from an off guard kamikaze attack.

2. I think Chaozu's attack was treated as a bigger deal than the portions Krillin's blast split into.

3. Tri beam was obviously a bigger deal than anything else Z forces had to offer at that point. It ruined Nappa's uniform, gave him
some bruises and Nappa even stated it scared him a little.

 

[Victorious]

I think The Kikoho kills Piccolo. If not it certainly wrecks him. Though one would think Nappa's beam would be substantially more.powerful and Piccolo took that well though died. He might withstand Kikoho enough to survive.