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Still worth noting Cell never goes back on his assessment about holding one's own against the twins when it comes to more than just Piccolo, so I'd say that evidence would still be sufficient.
ahill1 said:Keedounan said:Here's another, underused piece of evidence, just in case there was still any doubt.
Chapter: 364 (DBZ 170), P5.1
Cell: “I’ll definitely get hold of No.17 and No.18! Even if you guys try to stop me from reaching my perfect form, it won’t do any good! Not if Piccolo is the only one able to put up a bit of a good fight against No.17 and No.18!”
Not disagreeing with the notion, but Cell stated later on that Vegeta is stronger than he had thought.
GreatSaiyaman123 said:Vegeta actually held his own against 18 pretty well until his stamina was gone. He even got the upperhand once and landed a combo and complained that 18 was acting like nothing happened. To me it seems like Vegeta’s got enough skill for his reaction speed to match 18’s, but lacks the raw power for his punches to have any weight. It’s also worth noting 18 can’t feel pain as an Android.
The statements are more based on the outcome than in the actual fight. The statements in the fight portray them as close, with Trunks surprised he can fight so well and 17 thinking the Z Warriors might overwhelm 18. Dragon Books call the fight even as well.
GreatSaiyaman123 said:@Keedounan
Vegeta actually kept holding his own after that. 18 punches Vegeta, but he bounces back and lands his combo, to which he complains 18 "Keeps acting like nothing happened" (Whether this is a testment of 18's durability of Vegeta's powerlessness it's ambiguious). They fight evenly for a while, Trunks highlights this and Piccolo says Vegeta's getting tired. Then 18 beats him. It's a fairer fight that most people make it out to be, even if it didn't seem like Vegeta was ever going to win.
Piccolo equally couldn't seriously hurt 17, only do superficial damage somewhat more notable than the scratches Vegeta left on 18. 18's personality is that of someone cold and no-nonsense unlike his brother, this is highlighted as even in casual situations like the Boo Arc she appears almost emotionless. She's only shown to lose her composure when actively treatened in some way.
Vegeta was also praized in his fight with 18. 17 kept making note of how Vegeta was impressive throughout the fight and thought 18 would be overwhelmed if the Z Fighters joined Vegeta. Even 18 herself said Vegeta's pretty good for a human.
Trunks can "fight fairly well" compared to being taken down in two blows. Every other statement that comes out of his mouth implies he was absolutely powerless against them, inlcuding this one just minutes before his "fairly well" claim:
Chapter: 348 (DBZ 154), P6.1
Context: after Piccolo says Super Saiyan Vegeta might beat No.17 and No.18
Trunks: “I-I was able to become a Super Saiyan too…B-but, I was absolutely no match for them…They’re stupendously strong…”
In another statement, Kami claims Vegeta has "abilities even greater than Trunks".
They might be comparable in power and speed, but Trunks' emphasized as a greenhorn, someone with little training who's only had a single real fight on his life. Even Piccolo is shown to last longer than him against the Androids in spite of being weaker.
Doubtful? How does the idea of him underestimating them makes his claim doubtful?
Teaming up is shown to be a effective method of taking stronger people, a combination of Piccolo, Kuririn and Gohan was implied to be enough to defeat Nappa, and none of them could hold their own directly. 18 is shown having her hands full against Vegeta, she can't just dispose of him with two blows and needs to wear him out to do so. A group of characters attacking her when her guard is open would make her lose her cool, even if those are Saiyan Saga level blasts.
Cell might be stronger than Vegeta and have his (And everyone else's) DNA, but that doesn't make as much of a fighter as Vegeta. Even in his perfect form, that's stated to be better than his imperfect forms in every way, he's still bested by a weaker Goku.
Surpassing the Super Saiyan doesn't mean it's by a long shot. Cell might be stronger, but Vegeta's Super Saiyan power was reason for Cell to hide and reckon he must hurry up.
GreatSaiyaman123 said:Even in his perfect form, that's stated to be better than his imperfect forms in every way, he's still bested by a weaker Goku.