Vegeta's statement on Goku and Gohan's FPSSJ

[ahill1]

When Goku and Gohan exited the RoSaT, Vegeta scolded Trunks for saying they'd perform another transformation. Rather, he said:

Vegeta: “They’ve judged that state as the best! If they get used to that as a matter of habit, then even if they raise their battle power, the strain on their body is very small! [ ] They’ve thought this through…”

Some people think "the strain is very small" basically alludes to Goku achieving the power proportionated by the grade 2 or grade 3 transformations but without suffering from the burden these latter transformations impose.

What do you think?

 

[Captain Cadaver]

I wouldn't say that'd be accurate. Goku gaining the power of the Grade forms as a FPSSJ would be him having his cake and eating it too rather than making a choice of what the most optimal solution is, which would cheapen his decision somewhat. I'd say it's more accurate to believe the training in mastering the SSJ form yields such gains in general rather than the form simply becoming that powerful. FPSSJ is ultimately just regular SSJ but with stamina closer to the base form and a greater ability to control the Ki output.

 

[SSJ2]

Definitely not. The training to obtain FPSSJ is what allowed them to usurp the power of Grade 2 and 3. The transformation itself is never implied to be different than regular Super Saiyan.


Goku: “I can’t win like this…Probably not…[ ] With my muscles swelled up like this, my power greatly increases, but it kills my speed. Huge power doesn’t mean anything if I can’t hit my opponent…And it uses up energy at too intense a rate. Balance-wise, regular Super Saiyan is best. I know that well enough…”

This quote should pretty well lay waste to that idea. Goku literally says that forcing more power into Super Saiyan isn't the way to go. It would make little sense for Toriyama to then grant Super Saiyan a larger increase than the Grade forms which were said to be ineffective.

 

[Future Warrior]

^Pretty much hit the nail in the coffin. The only way Vegeta and Trunks knew how to surpass SSJ at the time was to simply overflow themselves with a lot of Ki, which proved to be more detrimental in the end. Goku and Gohan abandoned the concept and simply stuck with utilizing the full potential of the basic form.

 

[ahill1]

Would you guys say grade 2 is that useless? It didn't seem to have slowed down Vegeta and it granted a pretty significant boost.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

It still wasn't as ideal as mastering the SSJ form stamina-wise, and stamina was something extremely important when facing someone with Cell's regeneration, not to mention Cell being strong enough in actuality and by Goku's estimations that it still wouldn't be enough to overwhelm him most likely.

 

[Future Warrior]

Basically what CC said. Grade 2 likely expends too much stamina for it to be used in a proper fight between two people with similar powers. Vegeta was so much more powerful than 2nd form Cell that he wasn't using up a lot of his Ki against him anyways.

 

[ahill1]

Was SSJ Vegeta above Semi Cell though? Because if he wasn't, then SSJg2 can give quite a leeway.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

Was SSJ Vegeta above Semi Cell though? Because if he wasn't, then SSJg2 can give quite a leeway.

Probably above his initial self based on Trunks' surprise at him wanting to show off Grade 2 so early, though likely a bit inferior to his full power via-scaling.

 

[Zippy]

He is talking about ssj thats the point of fpssj it removes the strain of ssj hes basically explaining the form

 

[VampireWicked]

I see it like when the Elder Kai used the Potential Unlocked ritual on Gohan.
Was able to access his full potential.
I don't see G4 being any different when it comes to utilizing Potential.

I think when Goku/Gohan Mastered SuperSaiyan G4 allowed him use of the full Potential of the Transformation.
Including the Grade Buffs 2 & 3.