Vegeta's [vs Jheese] power
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That and Goku agrees with that reasoning, and Vegeta himself believes he's climbing close to a Super Saiyan which I really doubt he'd say if he was below 60K or some crap. I also don't like the idea of him powering up like 10x with a nap, yet not making Kuririn shit his pants the instant he powered up against 1st form Freeza.
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Well the Ginyu possessing Vegeta's body could be explained though. Ginyu was hella impressed that he couldn't access Goku's full power, so that might be the 1st time that ever happened and assumed it was a special case with Goku. He could have thought he's be able to hit Vegeta's full power, unlike Goku.Papasmurf said:
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Goku was the one who made that deduction Ginyu'd be unable to use his body the way he can't use Ginyu's, and it's implied Vegeta (and others) think Saiyans share a similar body type when Vegeta said since Goku could sense ki he should be able to also, so I don't think that argument is good enough at all. If Goku thinks Vegeta's body would hand him the win for sure, Vegeta had to be waaaay above his 90,000 (180,000 in Ginyu's mind) for sure.
Also lessens the ridiculousness of 30,000-45,000 - (nap) - 500,000 or some bullshit.
Also lessens the ridiculousness of 30,000-45,000 - (nap) - 500,000 or some bullshit.
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Vegeta's zenkai didn't fully released yet until he finished his nap. Remember, Vegeta tanked Jheese's punch.
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Yeah I don't buy that "zenkai was delayed" shit really. Vegeta not being serious makes a ton more sense, not to mention even the biggest zenkai (like post-Ginyu Goku) took place immediately after healing and Vegeta even said his health was fully recovered from the senzu.
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Plot demands it.Papasmurf said:
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How could Goku even judge Vegeta's power in that situation though? He could barely sense Ki, so that's a questionable statement at best. Vegeta stating if Goku can sense Ki he also can too implies something like "if a low class warrior like Kakarotto can do it, then a elite warrior like me should be able too", it has nothing to do with sharing a similar type of body imo. DBS (thougn with a lot of inconsistencies) even implies Ginyu is able to access the full power of his host, and I don't see it as a contradiction considering his surprise over not being able to drawn out all of Goku's power.Papasmurf said:
Also, how would Jheese even be able to make Vegeta bleed if the latter was >180,000? Doesn't make sense.
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I thought blood is inconsistent and it just appear to show how badass Vegeta is.ahill1 said:
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Goku said that if Ginyu took Vegeta's body it'd be hopeless AFTER he first intercepted him to get his normal body back, at which point he can sense clearly.
All it means is that Vegeta was toying with Jheese before he decided to finish him off. Unweighted Goku against Tenshinhan should theoretically be able to access his full power, but his durability in his suppressed state was so shit that he was hurt by Tenshinhan's eye laser, which wouldn't even tickle him in the state he was in against Piccolo Jr.
It's also notable that every member of the Ginyu Force and Freeza himself are mutants, and Ginyu originally believed a mutation was responsible for Goku's prodigious power rather than his training etc. which he didn't know about. Since most of the powerful enemies they'd face would probably be mutations of some sort, Ginyu could probably excel in controlling mutants' bodies but not unfamiliar ones like Saiyans (who aren't mutated).
This is his third Zenkai after the Saiyan arc, could just mean he's saying he's constantly evolving from those beatings.
All it means is that Vegeta was toying with Jheese before he decided to finish him off. Unweighted Goku against Tenshinhan should theoretically be able to access his full power, but his durability in his suppressed state was so shit that he was hurt by Tenshinhan's eye laser, which wouldn't even tickle him in the state he was in against Piccolo Jr.
It's also notable that every member of the Ginyu Force and Freeza himself are mutants, and Ginyu originally believed a mutation was responsible for Goku's prodigious power rather than his training etc. which he didn't know about. Since most of the powerful enemies they'd face would probably be mutations of some sort, Ginyu could probably excel in controlling mutants' bodies but not unfamiliar ones like Saiyans (who aren't mutated).
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This is his third Zenkai after the Saiyan arc, could just mean he's saying he's constantly evolving from those beatings.
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Oh I got things mixed up, sorry. But still it's questionable if Goku could properly sense Ki in his condictions, seeing how Kuririn stated after Goku's Genki-Dama that they couldn't sense Picc and Goku's Ki due to their condition.Papasmurf said:
http://mangafox.me/manga/dragon_ball/v27/c123/2.html
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According to GT Goku, the last time he was exhausted was against Freeza maybe that's a dub line.
