Vegetto Blue (FT arc) vs MUI Goku

[Future Warrior]

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[SSJ2]

In terms of power I'd probably say Vegetto. Kaioshin was pondering whether he was stronger than Beerus. Assuming this is referring to MUI Goku from ToP, no such thing was mentioned there. Furthermore, Beerus never seemed all that impressed by MUI Goku and was easily able to track Goku/Jiren's movements, which tells me that they weren't all that close to his level yet.

 

[Animelover5487]

Vegetto is more powerful, so far nothing contradicts Vegetto >= Beerus but probably not even Current UI Goku is stronger than Beerus but Goku wins due to superior reflexes and less power drain.

 

[Future Warrior]

How do we know Kaioshin knows the true extent of Beerus' power? Goku pretty much made the same comparison with Broli, but I guess it's up to anyone's interpretation on how Broli compares to guys like Jiren and Moro.

 

[Animelover5487]

Didn't Goku and the Kaioshin watch the Hakaishin battle? No one commented on Beerus being stronger than expected.

Does Goku actually state that Broly is on Beerus level in the manga? From what I read the Broly battle itself is canon but the only thing about Broly's power that is mentioned is that he was a tough opponent for PSSB Goku and Vegeta.

 

[Future Warrior]

Apparently the Hakaishin fight isn't a good indicator of Beerus' power since they all seemed relatively even aside from Beerus knowing the principles of UI, which isn't the case when Beerus isn't threatened by MUI Goku who evidently surpassed Belmod.

 

[SSJ2]

How do we know Kaioshin knows the true extent of Beerus' power? Goku pretty much made the same comparison with Broli, but I guess it's up to anyone's interpretation on how Broli compares to guys like Jiren and Moro.

We don't, but until we hear that from Kaioshin himself it's impossible to speculate.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

Apparently the Hakaishin fight isn't a good indicator of Beerus' power since they all seemed relatively even aside from Beerus knowing the principles of UI, which isn't the case when Beerus isn't threatened by MUI Goku who evidently surpassed Belmod.

Wouldn't say all of them were. Some of them seemed on par with each other such as Beerus, Quitela, Rumoosh, etc. whereas others such as Sidra and Iwan seemed to be a few steps below the others, not to mention the cuts between the fights makes judging who was able to fatigue Beerus and by how much difficult to say the least. Plenty of wiggle room to fit things in if assuming Belmod is maybe one of the three weakest.

As for the thread itself, I'd parrot what SSJ2 has said. Vegetto has superior power, but Goku's superior stamina and reactions give him the win.

 

[Future Warrior]

Looking at the fight, I just don't get the impression of Beerus being overwhelmingly stronger than anybody. To each his own I guess.

I wonder how their going to depict it in the anime since Belmod was implied to be stronger than Beerus (depends on how you want to interpret the arm wrestling match) who was used as a benchmark for Jiren.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

I wonder how their going to depict it in the anime since Belmod was implied to be stronger than Beerus (depends on how you want to interpret the arm wrestling match) who was used as a benchmark for Jiren.

Probably the same way the anime handled the implication of Kaioken Blue Goku being something Beerus would take seriously (ie. not addressing it at all and just retconning the power chain).

 

[Captain Cadaver]

Looked back at the Hakaishin battle royale and there's some parts that definitely suggest Beerus' advantage over some of the Hakaishin was pretty large. Beerus launches an attack at Sidra, Arak, Giin, Belmod and Champa, all of whom are scared by it and Goku questions if they're still alive as well as Giin implying they'd have taken fatal damage if not for Sidra's barrier. Even assuming it was amplified, it's doubtful he could make an attack that much above his full power with barely any time spent charging. Seems as though there's definitely a significant difference between the stronger and weaker Hakaishin.

 

[Future Warrior]

I don't think the time it takes to create a blast is always contingent on how powerful it is compared to the user himself. It took Piccolo maybe 1 page to charge his attack against Cell and yet it looked like it would have blown #17 to bits, or Pure Boo instantly generating an attack that SSj3 Goku wouldn't be able to stop.

Right now, I'm speculating that perhaps under normal circumstances, all the Hakaishin are more or less on par with each other, which is probably the level of power that the likes of Vegetto Blue, Broli, and MUI Goku have surpassed. However, this supposed technique that the Gods of Destruction use that Kaioshin and Goku are unaware of is perhaps what is able to beat guys like MUI Goku with ease, whether it's through sheer power or something else. We'll likely find out next month.

Judging Beerus' power right now is like judging Goku's power without his UI. They both have ways of enhancing their combat ability. Why none of the GoD's used this during the exhibition match is pretty much because this was Toyo's recent invention. Why could MUI Goku beat Belmod then? Pyro subscribes to the theory that this possible Hakaishin technique has different levels to it similar to UI, so it's either that or Toppo was simply wrong about Jiren.

This is all speculation, but it's the only thing that makes sense to me at the moment.

 

[SIAD]

Surely that secret technique of The Gods of Destruction will serve so that Beerus can still defeat UI Goku in a combat and they can continue to enforce the Gods of Destruction.