Was Gotenks really the only one to fully master SSj3 in the entire franchise?

[Tapion]

Gotenks is the only guy who can use SSj3 perfectly fine, without the slightiest amount of effort, strain or exhaustion whatsoever. Yeah, the fusion is cut by 25 minutes when he uses it, but i don't think that's something that can be helped even if you trained imo, because it' just too much energy for the living world. When Goku used SSj3 against Kid Boo, he almost died with the effort and that was in very, very few minutes. Even on GT he couldn't handle SSj3.

So, was Gotenks really the 'one?'

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

He's a gag character who should't be taken seriously and yet despite that, everyone does.

 

[Tapion]

Gotenks is not a gag character. By that logic, Piccolo, Vegeta, Goku and about everyone are gag characters because they all had cringeworthy and gag moments.

Gotenks' gag moments: Base Gotenks vs. Super Boo and that's about it.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

He didn't master it. Like you said the trade-off of using Super-Saiyan 3 as a fusion was the time being drastically cut-down.

 

[Tapion]

Yeah, but that couldn't be helped even if they trained imo. It was just an unmanageable drawback

 

[sei'taer]

The fact that it still cuts time (fusion time, time on earth, etc) is pretty much proof it hasn't been mastered.

Like the only time it's been used without time to be leached off of goku can't maintain it.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

Yeah, but that couldn't be helped even if they trained imo. It was just an unmanageable drawback

It might have been. I think like the strain for Goku, the time-limit being shortened is just another draw-back for fusion. They don't have the strain, but the time gets significantly cut.

 

[Papasmurf]

Goku suffered from both the strain and his time in the living world being cut heavily when he used it briefly against Fat Boo, so at least it appears Gotenks has better stamina in that form.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

Goku suffered from both the strain and his time in the living world being cut heavily when he used it briefly against Fat Boo, so at least it appears Gotenks has better stamina in that form.

Goku was also able to use it fairly OK, though.

Gotenks is made-up of 2 people so it kind-of makes sense.

 

[Papasmurf]

Goku was sweating heavily and was out of breath despite not using the form long enough to fall back into base while Gotenks showed no visible signs of strain even after hitting his 5 minute time limit and turning back to his normal form, so yeah Gotenks has better stamina. It makes you wonder what would've happened if he attained the form before he learned to use SSJ as his normal form in the Cell arc, or if pussy Gohan from FnF used it. They'd probably puke blood after a few dozen punches

 

[Tapion]

Yeah, Gotenks was able to control the form completely without breaking a sweat. For him, it was basically a child's plaything. The 5-minute limit is probably something that can not be reverted, the power generated by Gotenks's power + SSj3 is too much for the living world.

 

[Papasmurf]

Yeah, Goku seemed to fight Kid Boo for a fraction of the time that Gotenks spent fighting Super Boo in SSJ3, yet he was already worn out by the time Vegeta jumped in, and after a minute of charging ki he immediately lost the form. I think if Gotenks was a permanent fusion like Vegetto he might be able to sustain the form for a much longer duration, since he'd have no time limit.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

That Goku was living, though.

The time he was still dead he was able to fig effectively in the form, but his time on earth was cut.

 

[Papasmurf]

I don't recall Gotenks ever being dead though 1 1

 

[Jerk Store]

Gotenks is a gag character in Super, not so much Z... He just sucks in general... lol

I don't think he mastered SSJ3 though.... Better stamina from fusion maybe, but I seriously doubt they mastered it in the short amount of time they reached the form compared to Goku.

Fusion may result in better stamina though, like two peoples stamina stacked into one body. For all we know, SSJ3 Vegetto may hold the form better than Goku. Seems logical enough.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

I don't recall Gotenks ever being dead though 1 1

I meant Goku. -_-;

 

[Papasmurf]

I meant Gotenks's never been dead to show how good his stamina would be in that case, so it's not a fair comparison

 

[Fantastische Hure]

The reason why Goku's stamina was somewhat OK, though was because he was dead. Without it, he'd have struggled just like anyother normal living Saiyan.

 

[ahill1]

Even when dead, Goku was shown sweating in the SSJ3 form and a bit out of breath in Kami's temple.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

Even when dead, Goku was shown sweating in the SSJ3 form and a bit out of breath in Kami's temple.

Yeah, I'd assume that's more because Goku is still only one person though, where-as fusion is magic which requires two people. The fact that the time gets cut for Gotenks so much I think shows no-one has really mastered it, other than maybe Goku by the time of Battle of Gods.