Was why Kaioshin surprised on the ship? Can Kaioshin and Kibito sense ki?

[Warmmedown]

He saw Gohan power up to SSJ2 at the Budokai, yet still was shocked by Goku and Vegeta's base power on the ship? Or was he aware they had huge power (after the Budokai), but was surprised by their fighting ability or speed (even though in Z these things usually increase roughly proportionally)?

Or did he not sense Gohan's power at the Budokai? He never says anything about Buu's ki, right?

 

[SSJ2]

He definitely sensed Gohan's power, he remarked how difficult it was to restrain Gohan while on the ship. But it did seem as though he forgot about it, at least momentarily. He also told Kibito that he never got to witness Gohan's power, even though Kibito saw SSJ2 Gohan up close and personal.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

Goku mentions he can't sense Spopovich's Ki and that he follows Yakon in the dark via air currents (Instead of his Ki signature), so Babidi's magic hides the power of his goons.

Kaioshin was also really stressed because the whole universe was on the line and the Saiyans kept treating it as a game, and that affects your abilities (Including Ki sensing).

 

[Symbiote]

I think he just overestimated Babidi’s fighters

 

[Warmmedown]

Goku mentions he can't sense Spopovich's Ki and that he follows Yakon in the dark via air currents (Instead of his Ki signature), so Babidi's magic hides the power of his goons.

Kaioshin was also really stressed because the whole universe was on the line and the Saiyans kept treating it as a game, and that affects your abilities (Including Ki sensing).

Yeh this makes a lot of sense. Although it doesn't explain why on the ship he was thinking something like "I can't believe there are people from the lower worlds stronger than me" - he should've realised that when Gohan went SSJ2, unless you think he was too distracted by trying to find Yamu/Spopovich.
Just noticed he does think "thinking about it, Gohan was so powerful back then" (I guess this is what Curtis is referring to, dunno if it means he felt the ki or just that his magic had a hard time) after Vegeta kills PuiPui (ch 450, pg5), so I guess he is aware of Gohan's Budokai ki - again though, I don't get why after he sees Goku use a powered up SSJ1 to kill Yakon he thinks the "lower worlds" thing, when he's already seen SSJ2 Gohan at the Budokai.


Tbf it does seem like Kaioshin is at least worse at sensing ki than Gohan. Chap 460 page 11 Gohan says an "incredible ki" is growing (before Buu appears) and Kaioshin is like "what ki?", so maybe the distraction of looking for Yamu/Spopovich could be enough to make him not notice how strong Gohan is, if he didn't even notice what someone as strong as Gohan called an "incredible ki". Or maybe if the "back then" comment on the ship is acknowledging Gohan's ki then he didn't sense Gohan's ki properly, but it's stored in his memory (like how humans can remember visuals or sounds they didn't fully notice at the time - maybe kaioshin can remember ki later on, even if he didn't recognise it at the time).

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

Tbf it does seem like Kaioshin is at least worse at sensing ki than Gohan.

This, basically. Kaioshin often gets emotional about stuff, and you need a clear mind to sense Ki properly. He remembers sensing Gohan when Goku and Vegeta downplay Dabra and he says “Come to think of it… Gohan was really hard to hold”, as if he just forgot about it. He got too worried about Vegeta wanting to fight Pui Pui alone.