What do you think about my Buu Saga gaps?

[FeatsofPower]

Yeah, Goku says that he told Buu Gotenks would be stronger than him, no one denies it and Krillen even says, didn't Goku say Fusion would be top dog and so on.

It's probably safest to make Gotenks a bit stronger than Goku, even an all out Goku.

It's possible they are equals, but the safest bet is to give Gotenks a bit of an edge.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

If you do the math the 2 days Goku gave them were already over. It was not in Piccolo’s plans to train the boys.

 

[FeatsofPower]

If you do the math the 2 days Goku gave them were already over. It was not in Piccolo’s plans to train the boys.

I don't understand the point here?

 

[Natasha Romanoff]

Yeah, Goku says that he told Buu Gotenks would be stronger than him, no one denies it and Krillen even says, didn't Goku say Fusion would be top dog and so on.

It's probably safest to make Gotenks a bit stronger than Goku, even an all out Goku.

It's possible they are equals, but the safest bet is to give Gotenks a bit of an edge.

Krillin says that from the perspective that "Goku said Fusion was the strongest", not because he actually believed it, also Piccolo shows little to not enthusiasm to what Krillin suggest.

Gotenks has nothing that can actually compare to SSJ3 Goku, specially considering that he at least have direct statements of being able to defeat Fat Buu or Kid Buu.

If you do the math the 2 days Goku gave them were already over. It was not in Piccolo’s plans to train the boys.

Neither it seems to be the case that he wants SSJ Gotenks to defeat Fat Buu for a strange reason.

 

[FeatsofPower]

Krillin says that from the perspective that "Goku said Fusion was the strongest", not because he actually believed it, also Piccolo shows little to not enthusiasm to what Krillin suggest.

Piccolo does not deny what Krillen says. Goku claimed Fusion to be strongest, the story makes multiple references to this and no one denies it. It's about as strong a case as anyone can make. The anime also has the boys imply they are the strongest as well.

Gotenks has nothing that can actually compare to SSJ3 Goku, specially considering that he at least have direct statements of being able to defeat Fat Buu or Kid Buu.

He's literally said to be stronger than Goku by Goku himself. I don't know how much clearer that can be.

Neither it seems to be the case that he wants SSJ Gotenks to defeat Fat Buu for a strange reason.

Super Saiyan Gotenks can defeat Fat Buu without a doubt.

 

[Natasha Romanoff]

Piccolo does not deny what Krillen says. Goku claimed Fusion to be strongest, the story makes multiple references to this and no one denies it. It's about as strong a case as anyone can make. The anime also has the boys imply they are the strongest as well.

"I hope so" is far from meaning "you're completely right", if anything is something based more on emotion than reason. Don't really care about what the anime have to say, though.

He's literally said to be stronger than Goku by Goku himself. I don't know how much clearer that can be.

And afterwards, he said that he wanted them to manage something one way or another, therefore, he wasn't sure of his decission.

Super Saiyan Gotenks can defeat Fat Buu without a doubt.

That isn't what Piccolo says, he just give a vague comment at best.

 

[FeatsofPower]

"I hope so" is far from meaning "you're completely right", if anything is something based more on emotion than reason. Don't really care about what the anime have to say, though.

Goku reassures many people by saying if the kids get this right, they'll definitely win. There is no hoping, Goku knows for sure.

And afterwards, he said that he wanted them to manage something one way or another, therefore, he wasn't sure of his decission.

He's about as rock solid as he can be. He literally bet the entire universe on the boy's power.

That isn't what Piccolo says, he just give a vague comment at best.

There's nothing vague about Piccolo's statement. He's blown away by Gotenks power, even after witnessing Goku's power. Gotenks is the strongest.

 

[Natasha Romanoff]

Goku reassures many people by saying if the kids get this right, they'll definitely win. There is no hoping, Goku knows for sure.

And what does this have to do with the conversation between Piccolo and Krillin?

He's about as rock solid as he can be. He literally bet the entire universe on the boy's power.

Hoping things would be solved one way or another, risky bets and stuff like that, I comprehend your point.

There's nothing vague about Piccolo's statement. He's blown away by Gotenks power, even after witnessing Goku's power. Gotenks is the strongest.

"Absolutely incredible", compared to what? If Piccolo could've said "he is stronger than Goku" you would have a point.

And actually made the hesitation of his speed, not so much afterwards.

 

[FeatsofPower]

Hoping things would be solved one way or another, risky bets and stuff like that, I comprehend your point.

He never hoped, he made the claim he'd definitely win. Big difference.

 

[Natasha Romanoff]

He never hoped, he made the claim he'd definitely win. Big difference.

Chapter: 509 (DBZ 315), P11.4-6
Context: as Goku prepares to fight Boo
Goku: "Alrii~~ight. I'd better go all out right from the start...! If we get done in, then the entire universe will go 'poof'...".
Vegeta: "Let, see me this 'Super Saiyan 3' things with my own eyes..."
Goku: "Is that alright? You might not get your turn...I can say this now, but the truth is that with that fat Boo, I would have been able to defeat him at the time with Super Saiyan 3....However, I wanted the young guys to manage something...For the Earth's sake too..."

 

[ahill1]

Manage something doesn't have to mean it'd be a close fight. Goku or Vegeta uses the same wording to describe how their fight with Dabra would go.

 

[Natasha Romanoff]

Manage something doesn't have to mean it'd be a close fight. Goku or Vegeta uses the same wording to describe how their fight with Dabra would go.

As well as Gohan, Vegeta and Krillin vs 1st form Freeza or Goku and Vegeta vs Kid Buu... it can mean an unsure decission.

 

[ahill1]

As well as Gohan, Vegeta and Krillin vs 1st form Freeza or Goku and Vegeta vs Kid Buu... it can mean an unsure decission.

Key word being "can".

 

[Natasha Romanoff]

Key word being "can".

Chapter: 295 (DBZ 101), P13.5-6, P14.1
Context: after Vegeta and Freeza grapple for awhile, after Vegeta said they could win
Freeza: "I see...Seems that wasn't a complete lie..."
Gohan: "It's true..! If we 3 fight together, we might be able to really manage something...H-he really is absolutely incredible, but we've gotten better too...!"
Kuririn: "I-I see. Since coming here Vegeta's acquired such strength that he seems to have even further surpassed his limits...B-but...Freeza is oddly calm...Why?..."

Chapter: 508 (DBZ 314),P3.4-6
Context: after Boo reverts to his pure form
Vegeta: "Heh...Heheheh...Look! He's shrunk down quite a bit!"
Goku: "We did it! This way, we may be able to manage something."

Where is 'can' mentioned? Also, by the way Goku speaks seems to be that he is more confident in his capabilities of defeating Majin Buu with his SSJ3 power, but wanted to give a try to the boys... it also makes sense considering that SSJ Gotenks can't defeat Fat Buu within a minute at the very least, whereas SSJ3 Goku can kill a Buu that is even stronger (Kid Buu) in such time.

 

[FeatsofPower]

it also makes sense considering that SSJ Gotenks can't defeat Fat Buu within a minute at the very least, whereas SSJ3 Goku can kill a Buu that is even stronger (Kid Buu) in such time.

Gotenks has less than a minute, before he even reaches Buu. By the time he calls Buu out, they already defuse, Gotenks literally had no time.

 

[ahill1]

The word "can" is used in your post.

He wouldn't give the boys a try if he didn't have absolute trust in their chances of defeating Boo in a battle. He adopted this way because he had full faith in their capabilities once fused. He stated they'd definitely win this. No way around this.

 

[Natasha Romanoff]

Gotenks has less than a minute, before he even reaches Buu. By the time he calls Buu out, they already defuse, Gotenks literally had no time.

Doesn't mean that he can't shoot a blast once he comes. Also, if he is so fast, why didn't he come earlier?

 

[FeatsofPower]

Doesn't mean that he can't shoot a blast once he comes. Also, if he is so fast, why didn't he come earlier?

Cell can shoot a blast at once and kill Goku.

Gotenks doesn't care, he's not keeping track at all, he's high off of his own ego.

 

[FeatsofPower]

He stated they'd definitely win this. No way around this.

Exactly. Goku literally states Gotenks will definitely defeat Majin Buu. Inescapable.

 

[Natasha Romanoff]

The word "can" is used in your post.

He wouldn't give the boys a try if he didn't have absolute trust in their chances of defeating Boo in a battle. He adopted this way because he had full faith in their capabilities once fused. He stated they'd definitely win this. No way around this.

So, you think everything about this is related to power and has nothing to do with moral perspective?