What is the measure unit for Battle Powers?

[GSM123]

As in, what are they measuring? Ki? Power? An average of every stat?

 

[Captain Cadaver]

Ki would be the most logical measurement to go by, since it definitely can't be something like raw strength or destructive force as that would require far higher units. Considering Gohan's battle power is linked with his state of mind, particularly during the Raditz events, Ki makes the most sense when that would be the attribute most affected by emotional changes due to Shouki and Yuuki.

 

[SSJ2]

Battle power.

 

[Future Warrior]

It's a measure of the current amount of Ki that the scouter picks up from it's target, which makes it completely useless against people who have a higher understanding of Ki manipulation (aka the earthlings).

Freeza and his men see Ki as more of a scientific component that is completely static in all scenarios at a battle, not realizing that it is just as much of a spiritual power as it is a physical one. This usually gets them killed as we see in the Namek arc.

 

[GSM123]

Is the Ki being measured the overall amount or what can be converted into offensive power? Take Dende for example: He might have a considerable amount of Ki given his potential was unlocked, but he tells Gohan he’s more of a healer than a fighter. What would that make of his BP?

[mention]Captain Cadaver[/mention] The numbers don’t need to be way higher if they’re using an alternative scale compared to real life ones, though.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

Is the Ki being measured the overall amount or what can be converted into offensive power? Take Dende for example: He might have a considerable amount of Ki given his potential was unlocked, but he tells Gohan he’s more of a healer than a fighter. What would that make of his BP?

For what video games are worth, one of them rates his unlocked potential battle power as 10,000, so that would further support Ki being what's read.

Also, I doubt an upset Gohan could've converted his 710 power offensively at the time. Most of the situations in which battle powers were used were against martial artists that had honed their body and the power it had, rather than the anomalies that were those with great power and little to no control of it in battle.

@Captain Cadaver The numbers don’t need to be way higher if they’re using an alternative scale compared to real life ones, though.

Indeed, which supports Ki being what's used to gauge them.

 

[GSM123]

Beware of the video games, CC. They are the path to the Dark Side.

Gohan did use his power to headbutt Raditz and destroy that mountain, so I think he’d pull out something if needed.

And well, going into a broader perspective now. Do you think this would explain why certain numbers are so confusing? Can stuff like Piccolo Daimao > BoZ Tenshinhan or 22nd Goku > BoZ Yamcha make sense as something related to Ki size, but not Ki Control and martial arts prowess? [mention]Captain Cadaver[/mention]

 

[Keedounan]

Power.

Scouters were pretty much what the characters who can't sense Ki were using. However, it doesn't seem to measure anything else than the power of the Ki.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

Beware of the video games, CC. They are the path to the Dark Side.

Don't lecture me, Saiyameng. I see through the lies of the canon. I do not fear the video games as you do! I have brought peace, freedom, justice and security to my new power level list!

Gohan did use his power to headbutt Raditz and destroy that mountain, so I think he’d pull out something if needed.

That was when he set his mind to it though. When considering his battle power when upset already eclipsed that of his father's without the Kamehameha, his 710 self should've been able to cause internal damage to Raditz's pod just by throwing a tantrum if it represented what he was capable of in battle.

And well, going into a broader perspective now. Do you think this would explain why certain numbers are so confusing? Can stuff like Piccolo Daimao > BoZ Tenshinhan or 22nd Goku > BoZ Yamcha make sense as something related to Ki size, but not Ki Control and martial arts prowess? @Captain Cadaver

It could be used to explain them if not for the glaring flaw in that all these characters are able of concentrating and amplifying their Ki through attacks such as the Kamehameha, which makes scaling them a very linear case.

 

[GSM123]

Beware of the video games, CC. They are the path to the Dark Side.

Don't lecture me, Saiyameng. I see through the lies of the canon. I do not fear the video games as you do! I have brought peace, freedom, justice and security to my new power level list!

Your power level list? Captain my alligeance is to the manga, to !

(Earlier that day)

Oh no I'm not brave enough for canon discussions 2

That was when he set his mind to it though. When considering his battle power when upset already eclipsed that of his father's without the Kamehameha, his 710 self should've been able to cause internal damage to Raditz's pod just by throwing a tantrum if it represented what he was capable of in battle.

In this case, why do Goku and Piccolo's power raise when they remove weights and charge attacks? They aren't raising their Ki as much as they're channeling it for battle. Kuririn, Gohan and Piccolo's powers were much lower than the usual just because they weren't fighting as well.

It could be used to explain them if not for the glaring flaw in that all these characters are able of concentrating and amplifying their Ki through attacks such as the Kamehameha, which makes scaling them a very linear case.

If anything I think the idea of amplified attacks would help these figures make sense in Part I: Piccolo's 260 could be a reading of his Bakurikimaha, which makes sense considering the entry mentions his city busting feat and these Part I figures originated from Weekly Jump, which listed 23rd Goku at 910. Though at the same time that makes Nappa's PL even more confusing, though.