What is the proof of Vegeta having SSj2 Pre Majin

[Let's Go Fearless!]

I can't remember any evidence of it.

 

[SSJ2]

Says to Goku within his head "Kakarot has also surpassed the Super Saiyan wall..." or something along thise lines in Viz.

 

[Evil Vegeta]

Vegeta said both he and Goku were stronger than Gohan.

With Trunks being able to nearly match Super Saiyan 3 Goku in Super as a Super Saiyan 2, I guess one could say Vegeta might've assumed his Super Saiyan was enough to handle Super Saiyan 2 Gohan, but eh, I don't see it that way.

 

[Pyro]

DBS can choke on a walnut.^

Vegeta heavily implied it with quite a few statements.

1) He was entirely confident he'd beat Gohan in the tournament prior to the "no Super Saiyan" rule being enacted.
2) He didn't throw a hissy fit or cry when he realized Goku had Super Saiyan 2. He calmly made note of it and went on with his day, which is unlike him when he sees that Goku is still stronger than him.
3) He said he and Goku were stronger than Gohan inside Babidi's ship. However, it could be argued 'why didn't Goku know Vegeta had Super Saiyan 2 right then and there?' or 'that would imply SSj Vegeta > SSj2 Gohan', so it's just another line on the mountain of bullshit pointing to this section being poorly written.
4) He transformed just fine against Pure Boo.
5) The SEG confirms he had it prior to Babidi's influence.

 

[Boo Brand Milk]

I always just assumed it makes sense. Thanks for using evidence to back my gut feeling!

 

[Goku9001]

Herms confirmed that Vegeta did as well:

Chapter: 451 (DBZ 257), P10.5
Context: after Goku makes Yakon explode with his Super Saiyan aura
Vegeta: “So that bastard Kakarot has also surpassed that wall…The Super Saiyan wall…”

 

[sei'taer]

1) He was entirely confident he'd beat Gohan in the tournament prior to the "no Super Saiyan" rule being enacted.
2) He didn't throw a hissy fit or cry when he realized Goku had Super Saiyan 2. He calmly made note of it and went on with his day, which is unlike him when he sees that Goku is still stronger than him.
3) He said he and Goku were stronger than Gohan inside Babidi's ship. However, it could be argued 'why didn't Goku know Vegeta had Super Saiyan 2 right then and there?' or 'that would imply SSj Vegeta > SSj2 Gohan', so it's just another line on the mountain of bullshit pointing to this section being poorly written.
4) He transformed just fine against Pure Boo.
5) The SEG confirms he had it prior to Babidi's influence.

1. He seemed confident but unsure to me. Because he basically asked gohan "you were once stronger than us, but how about now?".

2. Yet it was big enough of an issue to allow babidi to charm him. He doesn't throw a fit, but it's clearly affects him. Also his comment here could refer to gohan, not himself.

3. Or it could just be he was trying to attract babidi's attention to get charmed, like he said he was trying to do after the yakkon fight.

4. Why would that matter? He was able to transform after the potential unlock. The potential unlock is still there even if the charm isn't.

The biggest issue to me will always be that he doesn't know how strong goku's SSJ2 was until after the charm. The comment about being a step behind couldn't refer to power to me if he didn't know how strong goku was until they fight. Unless Vegeta was willing to sacrifice his pride on the off chance that he'd close a power gap that he didn't even know existed or not.

 

[Male]

The tournament, but he needs Majin Boost to close the gap between him & Goku. lol

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

It does makes sense if Gohan can't transform into SS2 without enrage.

 

[Alex Boss]

Does it make sense that Babidi can unlock a SSJ level? That's why I believe Vegeta had it before.

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

Does it make sense that Babidi can unlock a SSJ level? That's why I believe Vegeta had it before.

If Gohan reached SSj2 by unlocking his full potential then i don't see why not Vegeta as well since Babidi unlocked Veggie's full/beyond limits too.

 

[VampireWicked]

Does it make sense that Babidi can unlock a SSJ level? That's why I believe Vegeta had it before.

It's not that Babidi unlocked a level of SuperSaiyan, he just unlocked the potential power increase for Vegeta at that time which was enough for Vegeta to close the 7year gap between him & Goku, when it came to the AscendedSaiyan level.


There are hints that Vegeta may have been able to transform into SSJ2 before the "Majin" charm, but there is absolutely nothing explicity said in either the anime or the manga.

I think before the Majin Spell Vegeta only reached FullPowered SuperSaiyan.

 

[Jerk Store]

He reached SSJ2 because he still had it when he came back to fight Super Buu. Was no longer Majin and I'm not so sure he kept the majin power boost post death.

Vegeta isn't gonna train for 7 years straight and not reach SSJ2.

 

[Papasmurf]

He still had it because SSJ Vegeta > SSJ2 Gohan isn't suggested at all despite Vegeta scoffing at Gohan's power decrease, and the idea that he just felt inferior to Goku because he had SSJ2 is bunk too since even with his potential unlock, his own SSJ2 was equal to Goku's so whatever form he had prior would be weaker than that by default whether he had SSJ2 or not. It'd also be weird for Babidi's spell to unlock him a form that he can just access out of the blue (yet not spontaneously transform him into it first), and why would he be so certain he could catch up to Goku with the charm if there's an entire form's gap between their powers and then some? Did he magically predict Babidi would unlock SSJ2 for him along with the unspecified power increase? Hell, why isn't there such explanation afterwards then while Vegeta spent 2 pages talking about why he got Babidi's help?

All in all the no SSJ2 before Majin camp is idiotic. A belief mostly fueled by the anime rarely depicting SSJ2 (non-Majin) Vegeta properly and Vegeta's majin conversion being accompanied by lightning in the anime (which goes against the manga) imo.

 

[ahill1]

Goku seems to be an idiot, since even after Vegeta flat out states he's > SSJ2 Teen Gohan, he isn't sure if Veggie has SSJ2.

 

[withheldforprivacy]

I can't remember any evidence of it.

Depends on how you interpret Vegeta's statement about Gohan: We're stronger than him, we don't know what happens when he gets mad.
If, by ''gets mad'', he means just going SSJ2, then Vegeta not having SSJ2 is possible.

 

[ahill1]

Depends on how you interpret Vegeta's statement about Gohan: We're stronger than him, we don't know what happens when he gets mad.
If, by ''gets mad'', he means just going SSJ2, then Vegeta not having SSJ2 is possible.

Vegeta was probably referring to an enranged SSJ2 Gohan, as he pretty much laughed at SSJ2 Teen Gohan's power at the tournament.

 

[withheldforprivacy]

Depends on how you interpret Vegeta's statement about Gohan: We're stronger than him, we don't know what happens when he gets mad.
If, by ''gets mad'', he means just going SSJ2, then Vegeta not having SSJ2 is possible.

Vegeta was probably referring to an enranged SSJ2 Gohan, as he pretty much laughed at SSJ2 Teen Gohan's power at the tournament.

I don't think there is ''Enraged SSJ2'', it's just bad writing of AT's: First (Cell Games), introducing SSJ2 as a manifestation of Gohan's rage,
implied to be exclusive to him, then (25th TB) retconning it to a plain transformation (''Super Super Saiyan''), then (Babidi saga) retconning
the retcon and turning it into Gohan's rage again.

 

[ahill1]

Well, if that's the case I don't know why Vegeta would be agnostic about "enranged Gohan". He should pretty much be able to tell Gohan's SSJ2 power.

 

[withheldforprivacy]

Buu Saga is like the Bible; exactly because it has so much inconsistency, one can interpret it in various ways. To me, the most logical,
in universe interpretation about Gohan is this...
Gohan could go SSJ2 at will. Vegeta had SSJ2 and his SSJ1 was still inferior to SSJ2 Gohan. Goku's and Vegeta's statements about Gohan's
rage did not mean anything specific; they were just like ''wow, we've had so many surprises from this kid when he gets angered, who knows
what else we might see if he gets mad again''.