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No, that one isn't being considered as valid.
What was Goku referring to when he said that even with a 5fold Kaioken he couldn't beat Ape Vegeta?
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That scene was the stupidest shit in the world. Gohan gets his ass handed to him while mad against Vegeta mere episodes later, and he'd already given most of his Ki to Piccolo by then lmao. The boost is literally plot breaking.
It can work if we give Gohan two levels of rage: normal rage (2x) and super rage (3x). How's this?
SAIYANS SAGA
Gohan
-base: 1,400
-normal rage (Nappa): 2,800
-super rage (Vegeta): 4,200
FREEZA SAGA
Freeza 3rd Form: 2,120,000
Freeza 4th Form
-initial: 3,180,000
Vegeta
-initial: 3,200,000
-anime-filler power up: 4,800,000
Gohan
-base: 1,050,000
-normal rage (3rd form Freeza): 2,100,000
-super rage (4th form Freeza): 3,150,000
If we assume Freeza went back to his very initial suppression when he unbuffed his muscles and was attacked by Gohan, it can work.
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Gohan had already given all of his ki to Piccolo. It cannot work. It must be rejected.
He had time to rest.
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Resting doesn't restore ki like that. The time frame is far too small. Dende is dead so he wasn't healed.
The anime makes mistakes sometimes and that's ok. Let's not pretend they are perfect. You should focus on the filler that actually makes sense.
It makes sense. Gohan seemed pretty rested.
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Ki restoration doesn’t work that way. Gohan would need at least full day recovery, full nights sleep, lots of meals, it’s probably more than one day of recovery.
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Kk x 5 would only put his BP at no higher than 40k~.
Maybe Freeza and Vegeta were weakened too. Who said coming back to life also restores your stamina?
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Piccolo was at full strength after he came back. That wasn't a problem in the Freeza saga.
Because he was at full strength when he was still dead on King Kai's planet.
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The Earthlings in the Boo saga were all at full strength too even though they all got brutally murdered by a pink blob.
Being murdered doesn't reduce your stamina per se. Vegeta was already at low stamina when he was murdered by Freeza.
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Sure it does. Your Ki drops to zero when you're murdered, and a good chunk of Earthlings got blown right up in to smithereens. Kibito also came back to life in full condition. Why would Vegeta be any different? I'd see a point if we were discussing someone as powerful as SSJ2/3 tiers and above, but weaklings up to Kibito's level (who's still above Namek Vegeta) seem to be fully restored no problem.
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