When did Super Boo sense Gohan's presence?

[Evil Vegeta]

What up Zeta. Hope everyone has been well.

This is something I've always wondered about. I never quite understood when Boo was able to pinpoint Gohan's power from the Kaioshin world.

Could it have been when Gohan briefly unleashed his power when he was pissed?

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Or could it have been once the ritual was finished?

If you don't believe it was either of those moments, do you think Super Boo sensed Gohan's power while the ritual was taking place?

I have my doubts about him sensing Gohan for the first time immediately after the ritual was finished. Based on the way Boo worded things, he became aware of Gohan well before that, and thought about absorbing Gotenks during their fight. Still, it's nice to read what others have to say.

Do you believe it's possible that Boo was so focused on Gohan to the point where he didn't care to view Gotenks as being stronger than himself? We know the difference between Boo and Gohan is obviously bigger than the difference between Boo and Gotenks. Or do you think Boo's statement about not wanting another power (Gohan) to be superior leaves no room for Gotenks to have the advantage in power?

 

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[SSJ2]

If you don't believe it was either of those moments, do you think Super Boo sensed Gohan's power while the ritual was taking place?

I can't see this being possible. Goku wasn't even aware of Gohan's power until he became enraged, and he was basically right beside Gohan.

I have my doubts about him sensing Gohan for the first time immediately after the ritual was finished. Based on the way Boo worded things, he became aware of Gohan well before that, and thought about absorbing Gotenks during their fight. Still, it's nice to read what others have to say.

Do you believe it's possible that Boo was so focused on Gohan to the point where he didn't care to view Gotenks as being stronger than himself? We know the difference between Boo and Gohan is obviously bigger than the difference between Boo and Gotenks. Or do you think Boo's statement about not wanting another power (Gohan) to be superior leaves no room for Gotenks to have the advantage in power?

Yeah, the thing with Boo sensing Gohan during his angry burst is that he made no sign of even having sensed the ki. Though to me, this is the only time that he could have sensed it. We know that Gohan could sense SSJ3 Gohan from the Kaioshin realm, and I think it would be absurd if Gohan hadn't surpassed SSJ3 Goku by that point.

As for the Gotenks situation, I think he was genuinely outclassed. Whether or not he was truly developing this plan to absorb Gotenks, I can't see why he'd let himself be beat nearly to death at the end of the fight as opposed to blowing himself up and going into hiding. I guess you could argue that he was trying to give Gotenks confidence in his ability to win, but that seems like going a bit far to prove that point.

Piccolo also left it open to interpretation whether or not Gotenks had a higher battle power:

Chapter: 495 (DBZ 301), P6.1-3, P7.1-3
Context: after Gotenks blasts Boo with the Rapid-Fire Die-Die Missiles and Piccolo stops him
Gotenks: “Well, whatever. I already did quite a lot, after all. He should be pretty weakened.”
*Boo comes out*
Gotenks: “…He ain’t weakened…This really pisses me off!”
Piccolo: “N-no…He is weakened…I don’t know about physically, but he’s weakened a little mentally…! Th-this is the first time…that he’s fought someone strong like you…He’s feeling flustered by someone whose strength is at least on par with his own…”
Gotenks: “Dehhehheh! So in other words, Majin Boo’s freaked out, huh!? That’s right! My strength ain’t half-assed! I’m the best in the universe!”
Piccolo: “Don’t let your guard down! He’ll be coming at you frantically now…!”
Gotenks: “Dahhahhah, that’s no problem, no problem at all! That’s just what I was hoping for!”

And it's not like Boo was hiding any power to make Gotenks appear stronger. I think he was simply outclassed, but then realized that he would need Gotenks if he was to overcome Gohan.


Anyway, hope you've been well EV. Good to see you here.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

EV? Is that really you?

I think it was Gohan’s tantrum. By the time Boo broke the sand clock and killed Chi-Chi he definitely had hi plan in mind.

I think he didn’t really bother with Gotenks because his existence was only temporary. He was definitely outclassed and flustered by it as Piccolo pointed out, but once the boys defuse they’re just ants under his boot.

 

[Evil Vegeta]

What up Fantastic. Super Saiyan 2, and Great Saiyaman.

Yeah, it makes the most sense for it be when he briefly tapped into his power. I don't think Boo could've sensed Gohan while he was sitting down in his normal state doing nothing.

Gohan was the bigger threat, and Gotenks was a temporary Fusion. So even if Gotenks held an advantage, he's far less of a threat than someone like Gohan when it comes to the big picture.

I also think after he hit Boo with those missiles, he realized Gotenks was a lot more powerful than he expected. That would explain why he was so pissed. Originally he was only focused on the unknown power, but Gotenks proved to be more than he could handle. Some people like to say Super Boo was holding-back a tremendous amount, but it wasn't noted anywhere.

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[GreatSaiyaman123]

What really confuses me here is how Boo was the only one to sense Gohan's power. I think it was a case of stress affecting their senses, so Piccolo and co. didn't catch up on Gohan because they were all worried about Boo. Meanwhile Boo was just sitting there counting sand grains, so he had his mind clear to sense this huge power coming from beyond.

 

[Papasmurf]

Gohan fully activated the potential unlock after Gotenks ran out of his SSJ3 Ki so it has to be when the ritual was still in progress. If I had to guess, the time he snapped at the elder Kaioshit

 

[SSJ2]

What really confuses me here is how Boo was the only one to sense Gohan's power. I think it was a case of stress affecting their senses, so Piccolo and co. didn't catch up on Gohan because they were all worried about Boo. Meanwhile Boo was just sitting there counting sand grains, so he had his mind clear to sense this huge power coming from beyond.

Yea. They just witnessed all of earth be annihilated so maybe they weren't using their senses. That, or Gohan's power was still relatively insignificant compared to Boo's so it didn't capture their attention. Either one seems unlikely, but there's no other choice.

 

[Evil Vegeta]

It is strange. Kinda like how Piccolo and those from the Kaioshin world could sense Boo's Ki change, yet Krillin seemingly has no clue Boo just transformed. Boo was obsessed with clashing with the strongest warrior, so I could see him noticing Gohan's power while the others missed it.

Even when everyone thought Dende was dead, Gohan just showed up and was like "Try and sense his Ki", then Piccolo suddenly notices it. The difference here though is Dende's Ki is small, whereas a gigantic burst of power like Gohan's would've logically been noticed.

Some people say Boo was holding-back, but when I look at the fight:

I just don't see it.

 

[ahill1]

I always assumed he got a reading when breaking the hourglass. You could say that was him showing annoyance at the time he had to wait, but I take that as a hint. He also does some worried face when Gotenks informs him his time was almost up and looks frustrated... likely meaning he had to change his plans and couldn't absorb Gotenks right away. If he sensed Gohan way after when the kids had defused when Gohan made that full power up, I feel we would be shown a reaction from him. He calmly waits until it's time to absorb Gotenks at its fullest. He even says "luckily the boys mentioned a time limit", which to me changes back to the point he was stuck in that hole and looked shocked at the reveal.

It's kinda in the open though because Gotenks defused and then Boo looks at them smiling... and then we are cut to Gohan powering up. Then we are cut to Boo and he already takes his sleeping position... which someone could argue that THAT was when Boo noticed Gohan was a danger. But I find the other way around more convincing, with the shock in Boo's face at Gotenks' former reveal of his predicament and the anger at the Lookout coinciding right when Gohan powered up.

It's interesting though because that seemed like a glimpse of Gohan's power (the 1st power up)... so if that power was already enough to scare Boo, imagine the power gap.

 

[SSJ2]

I always assumed he got a reading when breaking the hourglass. You could say that was him showing annoyance at the time he had to wait, but I take that as a hint

I agree, but doesn't it contradict Boo's plan? Boo said that he planned to absorb Gotenks the moment he felt Gohan's presence. When he was on the lookout, he hadn't even seen Gotenks at his post RoSaT level.

 

[Evil Vegeta]

Boo: “It’s your fault. You were stronger than I, who should have been the absolute strongest…When I sensed your distant presence, I started up on this strategy…In case maybe, just maybe, there was anyone stronger than myself…Then I hit upon it: if I absorbed that ‘Super Gotenks’ squirt I was fighting at the time, then no matter what kind of guy appeared, my throne as the strongest would not be shaken…”

To me, Boo starting up the strategy and Boo fighting Gotenks were likely two different parts.

Scenario #1: Boo sensed Gohan's power while on the lookout watching the hourglass. He believed this power could prove to be an issue, but he also has no idea what to expect from the other unknown fighter he's supposed to be going up against. He went into the rosat and quickly realized that Base and Super Saiyan Gotenks wouldn't have sufficed as an absorption. When Gotenks escaped the rosat later in his new state, Boo quickly saw him as the key to keeping his title as the strongest.

Boo talked about how he "hit upon it" as if he realized this while he was fighting (they referred to Super Saiyan 3 as "Super Gotenks" right before fusing again) Super Saiyan 3 Gotenks. So while he already knew of Gohan's presence, only then did he believe he had a proper counter to this unknown person.

Scenario #2: Boo sensed Gohan's power sometime after he escaped the rosat. Probably after his candy eating spree on the lookout, but before he actually started fighting Gotenks.

Personally, it makes more sense to me that Boo would've started up this strategy long before he even went into the rosat. I know Boo was pissed because of how long it was taking to start the fight, but assuming he actually sensed Gohan, his urgency to meet the warrior he was supposed to fight makes even more sense.

The longer it takes for that to happen, chances are that distant power will get closer to the planet. Boo probably wouldn't want to take any unnecessary chances waiting. Between Gohan's initial explosion and when he finally completed the power-up, I don't see any other opportunities for Boo to have caught wind of his power.

 

[SSJ2]

I think you said it perfectly with scenario 1. I never caught onto the fact that there were two different parts to the strategy. And the way he says "In case maybe, just maybe, there was anyone stronger than myself…" makes it pretty clear that Gohan wasn't on his level when he did sense him. That would only make sense if it was prior to the ritual being completed.

 

[ahill1]

Yep, EV's 1st hypothesis is exactly like what I'd think up too. The "I started to think on this strategy" makes it sound like he already thought of absorbing SSj3 Gotenks right after sensing Gohan's power, which would lead us to "Boo sensed Gohan after fighting Gotenks", but the truth is that the unknown fighter still remained as a prospect according to Piccolo, so he could be thinking in adding this unknown fighter... so Boo could be hopping on this unknown fighter, if he proved himself capable enough, to topple Gohan. He even seemed annoyed when Gotenks seemed punny in his base state, which could tie to him thinking like "I can't add nothing with this foe against this huge power I sensed". Possibilities, possibilities.

 

[ahill1]

And then, SSJ3 appears, "I hit up on it!!". Strange tho that Boo was still mad when Gotenks SSj3 knocked him around, despite the fact he should be happy a new power appeared that could topple Gohan... which shows Gotenks was likely a threat to Boo himself.

 

[Pointer]

I guess it was about that time .That is why he played with gotenks

 

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