Where do you place Kaioshin's PL? (post retcon)

[Tapion]

He had to be referring to power as well for it to be in line with his following statement as skill alone wouldn't cut it, unless we assume Super logic was in affect as early as the 22nd TB.

Yamcha: “Leave it to him to have polished his moves even further since the last tournament…”

It's quite weird for him to talk about how clean and polished Chun's moves are when he should actually be saying something like "Leave it to him to have gotten even stronger"

 

[Captain Cadaver]

It's honestly weirder for him to have talked about Chun polishing his moves at all when Roshi is already supposed to be a master of martial arts (and his display was nowhere near as great as what he showed at the 21st TB). Regardless, he wouldn't have bothered adding that as evidence of this being an "astounding tournament" if skill was all Chun had improved, since 21st TB top tiers are old news at that point.

It's not as though that was the only statement Yamcha made on Chun either:

Chapter: 115, P13.2
Context: Jackie passed the preliminaries.
Kuririn: “He’s…really good…isn’t he…?”
Yamcha: “Don’t want to go up against Goku or that old man too early, eh?”

 

[ahill1]

Regardless, he wouldn't have bothered adding that as evidence of this being an "astounding tournament" if skill was all Chun had improved, since 21st TB top tiers are old news at that point.

Well, maybe skills at that point matters enough to have Yamcha worried about the development of the Tournament?

 

[Captain Cadaver]

Doubtful. Taopaipai should have amazing skill from being a master assassin and even presented such against Blue, yet he was still helpless against Goku after Karin's training. Skill doesn't mean much if you have nowhere near the power to back it up in DB.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

Skill was the word for power/strength in Part I, then it got changed to what you know now. If you don't believe me you can look at basically all the dialogues pre-DragonBall Z.

 

[ahill1]

Skill was the word for power/strength in Part I, then it got changed to what you know now. If you don't believe me you can look at basically all the dialogues pre-DragonBall Z.

Was it the word for power? Or maybe it meant really skills?

 

[Fantastische Hure]

Nah, you can see how it was used. Tao-Pai-Pai was also called skilled IIRC when he one-shotted General-Blue.

 

[ahill1]

Nah, you can see how it was used. Tao-Pai-Pai was also called skilled IIRC when he one-shotted General-Blue.

How so?

 

[Fantastische Hure]

What do you mean how so? I'm just saying. I wasn't the one writing the dialogue.

 

[ahill1]

What do you mean how so? I'm just saying. I wasn't the one writing the dialogue.

I'd like for you to go more in depth on why those statements reflect power and not skillz :mikey

 

[GSM123]

He was still clearly focused enough to be able to tell how Vegeta's power surpassed his estimations of the Saiyans though.

Because was watching the fight and saw Vegeta easily kill Pui Pui, who he believed to be a powerhouse. It’s about what he seeing not what he sensing/gauging, otherwise Vegeta wouldn’t look as impressive since he had sensed SSJ2 Gohan at the Budokai as well.

Shin never brings that up as a factor, whilst knowing who Yakon is, having also made it apparent that Base Vegeta > His estimations of SSJ Goku > Himself, and still wanted to group to gang up on him. At bare minimum, that would present even pre-Majin Yakon as not being far behind Shin, if at all.

So if he brings it up once but not again it means it’s not a factor anymore?

But to be fair, Shin didn’t say that. He and Kibito just point out Babidi can control people, nothing about potential unlock. Though he could know based on seeing and sensing Yamu and Spopovich at the Budokai.

Skill was the word for power/strength in Part I, then it got changed to what you know now. If you don't believe me you can look at basically all the dialogues pre-DragonBall Z.

Chapter: 89, P14.1
Context: Goku accuses Karin of lying about the increase in power he should have received from the Super Holy Water.
Karin: “Nyahhahha! I didn’t trick you!! Your power skill has already become many times greater!”

Seriously though, the word “skill” is only used 16 times in the whole Strength Checker (What also accounts for Z and Herm’s notes), and movements is only used 34 times. On the other hand, “power” is said over 100 times.

Skill always meant skill, and it was a key point at the series, even more than power probably. It’s very common for characters to be balanced in skill, thus the many cases (Mostly in Z) were a character decides a match purely by power. Power/Strength is the only term that can have a wider meaning.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

All those were mostly used pre-DragonBall Z though IIRC. There's even Daizenshuu entries using this. I'm not sure why but that's how it seems to be. I think back when the martial-arts was a thing skill meant you were superior thus it was sort-of used as a catch-all term for everything regarding power.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

What do you mean how so? I'm just saying. I wasn't the one writing the dialogue.

I'd like for you to go more in depth on why those statements reflect power and not skillz :mikey

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[GSM123]

All those were mostly used pre-DragonBall Z though IIRC. There's even Daizenshuu entries using this. I'm not sure why but that's how it seems to be. I think back when the martial-arts was a thing skill meant you were superior thus it was sort-of used as a catch-all term for everything regarding power.

I think skill is a very broad term whose meaning is easy to miss. IMO skill merely amounts to how you use your power, and depending on how effectively you use it you can beat people with way more power than you. Being good at hand to hand combat is a example of skill, but so is having weird special techniques like Guilan’s Guru Guru Gum.

 

[Arkeon]

I think Shin was being cautious. I place him about Pui Pui. Him knowing how tricking babidi was, he over estimated Pui Pui's power and underestimated Vegeta's power.

I personally have Piccolo and Shin above Pui Pui but far below Yakkon.