Which power difference is greater?

[Hector]

1. 20x Kaioken Goku - 50% Freeza
2. 100% Freeza - SSJ Goku

 

[Fantastische Hure]

The latter.

 

[FeatsofPower]

50% Freeza has much better feats over KKx 20 Goku

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

KKx20 Goku and 50% Freeza are both 60,000,000

SSJ Goku is 150,000,000 to Freeza being 120,000,000. This is the bigger gap.

 

[FeatsofPower]

KKx20 Goku and 50% Freeza are both 60,000,000

This seems unlikely since Freeza was so able to easily avoid Goku after he caught his bearings.

Remember, 50% Freeza is able to stop a Kamehameha from KKx20 Goku. So sure, the Kaioken Kamehameha is definitely nerfed, but I doubt it has zero amp, or else why not just use any old generic ki blast then?

Also, the idea that 100% Freeza is only 80% of Super Saiyan Goku is a debate from the dark ages. Please don't tell me you are still thinking that there is a 1.25x gap between them?

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

This seems unlikely since Freeza was so able to easily avoid Goku after he caught his bearings.

Remember, 50% Freeza is able to stop a Kamehameha from KKx20 Goku. So sure, the Kaioken Kamehameha is definitely nerfed, but I doubt it has zero amp, or else why not just use any old generic ki blast then?

Also, the idea that 100% Freeza is only 80% of Super Saiyan Goku is a debate from the dark ages. Please don't tell me you are still thinking that there is a 1.25x gap between them?

But Goku thought he could manage something if Freeza is bluffing about only being at 50%. The implication here.

I’ve revisited it a while ago and they’re definitely not rivals. Freeza only gets hits because Goku sandbags, and his hits don’t do nearly as much damage as Goku’s own hits. Only the beam struggle has them as equals.

 

[FeatsofPower]

But Goku thought he could manage something if Freeza is bluffing about only being at 50%. The implication here.

So is this confirmation that Freeza went beyond 50% of his power?

And manage something is an admission of inferiority. If they were the same power, then he'd do much more than just manage something.

I’ve revisited it a while ago and they’re definitely not rivals. Freeza only gets hits because Goku sandbags, and his hits don’t do nearly as much damage as Goku’s own hits. Only the beam struggle has them as equals.

Goku is perhaps a better fighter, but Freeza's speed 100% rivals Goku. There are things occurring here during that fight in which are only possible because of a closeness of speed.

 

[Pakl]

150/130 makes sense. Not too far and not too close.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

So is this confirmation that Freeza went beyond 50% of his power?

And manage something is an admission of inferiority. If they were the same power, then he'd do much more than just manage something.

Always saw it as such. Also, Freeza’s hand is messed up here. I think the Daiz’s logic here was that they neutralized each other, so they’re equals. Freeza couldn’t deflect it, or ar least was dazed long that he couldn’t.

Let’s compare this to Nappa vs Masenko. You still have Nappa at 3000? He punched it with mid effort with a very small gap.

If Goku is going to strain beyond his very best to fire his strongest attack and only equal Freeza, then “manage something” is a good way to say it.

Goku is perhaps a better fighter, but Freeza's speed 100% rivals Goku. There are things occurring here during that fight in which are only possible because of a closeness of speed.

When? The fight doesn’t really emphasize speed. Closest thing to that is Freeza racing to Porunga, but he started ahead of Goku.

 

[FeatsofPower]

150/130 makes sense. Not too far and not too close.

Freeza is closer to Goku then Zarbon is to Vegeta.

Freeza is closer to Goku then Goku was to Cell.

Let’s compare this to Nappa vs Masenko. You still have Nappa at 3000? He punched it with mid effort with a very small gap.

Punching it might be a better option than catching it.

When? The fight doesn’t really emphasize speed. Closest thing to that is Freeza racing to Porunga, but he started ahead of Goku.

There are many instances. When Freeza charges Goku, there are things happening that couldn't be possible unless they were rivals.

 

[Kyo]

The fight shows that Freeza is blatantly inferior. Goku basically always comes out on top in their real exchanges.

But Freeza can still fight the guy. Dodoria couldn't fight Vegeta. Zarbon couldn't fight Vegeta. Vegeta couldn't fight KKx3 Goku.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

There are many instances. When Freeza charges Goku, there are things happening that couldn't be possible unless they were rivals.

You mean when Goku catches Freeza coming from behind, snaps him arm, busts his nose and throws him out like a fool? That was embarrassing.

There’s no speed feats, but only because the fight isn’t choreographed in a way they’re relevant. Goku wants to test Freeza so they duke it out. The power/durability feats are more impressive: Freeza hits Goku by surprise with his best attack, but only does the same damage Goku’s normal punches were doing to him.

 

[FeatsofPower]

You mean when Goku catches Freeza coming from behind, snaps him arm, busts his nose and throws him out like a fool? That was embarrassing.

It might be the one. It looked like a superiority of skills, not speed/power. Zarbon vs Vegeta was a superiority of speed first and foremost. Goku vs Freeza looks more skill based and Goku having a slight to moderate advanage.

The fight shows that Freeza is blatantly inferior. Goku basically always comes out on top in their real exchanges.

More so because of Goku's skillset, not necessarily speed and power. We can see Freeza showcases equal speed at times, performing feats others who were close coudln't./

 

[sei'taer]

50% furiza blocks a kaio ken x 20 kamehameha with one hand. Even if it singed his hand, that's a ridiculous gap in power.

SSJ goku dominates the fight with 100% furiza but furiza still gets solid shots in that hurts goku.

 

[Natasha Romanoff]

Difficult to tell as both Kaioken and 100% of power has severe strain in the body which can't use their best potential.

However, SSj Goku vs 100% Frieza is closer.