Why can't the 3 Million powerlevel function?

[Pocket-Gog~]

So, after receiving a quick reply in the Worst Power Level's list I've decided to ask this question, why is Goku and Freeza's 3M Powerlevels dumb? Why is that number looked down?

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

It must have something to do with Freeza's power during his fight against Vegeta where he probably made a lot of changes and the fact that it's part of Toriyama or Daizenshuu's inconsistencies that gives a headache to the PL purists and decided to make their own PL's which ultimate makes their list invalid.

 

[Void]

I could force 3 million to work for Goku's initial level against Final Form Freeza, but after Freeza hits Goku with that paralyzing bomb thing they both say they're going to get serious against each other. Piccolo backs this up by saying they were just messing around up until now, so Goku and Freeza definitely cranked it up after that.

Unless you want to try to pull some invisible Kaio-Ken stuff.

 

[withheldforprivacy]

3m can work if you go with ''over 1 million'' referring to 2nd form's max power.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

It can easily work with minimal gaps when taking into account Vegeta's Full Power >> Initial Vegeta > Kaioken x2 Goku despite the difference between both ends of the chain being a 1.125x difference. It's not as though power gaps are 100% consistent based on what battle powers in the series show anyway.

 

[p123]

No it can't.

Freeza (Serious) >>= Goku (Serious) > Freeza (Warm Up) >= Goku (Warm Up) > Freeza (Initial) >>= Vegeta >> 3rd Form Freeza > Enraged Gohan > Piccolo > 2nd Form Freeza FP > 2nd Form Freeza Powered Up > 2nd Form Freeza Initial = Over 1 million

It's a numerical impossibility. No one can reasonable fit all of these powers in between 1 million and 3. I dare anyone to try though.

Vegeta's Final Burst Cannon should be quite amplified as well. In the Saiyan Saga against Goku's KKx3 Kamehameha, we see that Vegeta's Galick Gun has impressive amplification. For Vegeta to not be using his full amplification here would be very strange. It's even stated that it was everything Vegeta had I believe. As we know, Freeza kicked it back, implying a huge gap.

The only people who try to make this work are people who actually think that transforming from his 3rd form to his final form was a small boost. Meanwhile, if anything, it could be implied to be his biggest boost.

You will always see terrible lists with Vegeta and 3rd Form Freeza being somewhat close in power, which is a travesty, Vegeta is on a completely different level here, Vegeta should be able to smash 3rd Form Freeza with absolute ease.

 

[Victorious]

I agree...without the Daiz i think i put base Goku Namek at 7 million when i redid the numbers. And these were reasonable and needed gaps and un necessary bloating like Yoshi Egg does for instance.

90,000 to 7,000,000 zenkai for Goku..yey.

 

[Victorious]

Lmao..what the hell did u all do for Y.O.S.H.I's name here? Poor Yoshi.

 

[freezamite]

Not only 3 millions "can't" work, in fact it's the only number that 100% works (if one takes into account that those 3 million already include the KKx10 with them).

No it can't.

Freeza (Serious) >>= Goku (Serious) > Freeza (Warm Up) >= Goku (Warm Up) > Freeza (Initial) >>= Vegeta >> 3rd Form Freeza > Enraged Gohan > Piccolo > 2nd Form Freeza FP > 2nd Form Freeza Powered Up > 2nd Form Freeza Initial = Over 1 million

Lot's of wrong assumptions here. Firstly, it can perfectly be argued that the one with "over 1 million" was max strength 2nd Form Freezer, not only his initial, unpowered self.
Secondly, you're also putting tons of power ups in places where they don't need to be. You don't know if enraged Gohan was stronger than Piccolo and or 2nd form Freezer at maximum power considering 3rd form Freezer countered his best Ki blast with his brute force alone.

 

[KyuubiAhri]

Not only 3 millions "can't" work, in fact it's the only number that 100% works (if one takes into account that those 3 million already include the KKx10 with them).

No it can't.

Freeza (Serious) >>= Goku (Serious) > Freeza (Warm Up) >= Goku (Warm Up) > Freeza (Initial) >>= Vegeta >> 3rd Form Freeza > Enraged Gohan > Piccolo > 2nd Form Freeza FP > 2nd Form Freeza Powered Up > 2nd Form Freeza Initial = Over 1 million

Lot's of wrong assumptions here. Firstly, it can perfectly be argued that the one with "over 1 million" was max strength 2nd Form Freezer, not only his initial, unpowered self.
Secondly, you're also putting tons of power ups in places where they don't need to be. You don't know if enraged Gohan was stronger than Piccolo and or 2nd form Freezer at maximum power considering 3rd form Freezer countered his best Ki blast with his brute force alone.

And who EXACTLY is going to listen to you?

 

[freezamite]

And who EXACTLY is going to listen to you?

You don't listen to people in an online forum kid, you READ what they say. Maybe this is why you lack so much knowledge about the DB manga, because you try to listen to it as if it was an anime chapter

 

[KyuubiAhri]

Oh god,when i said LISTEN,i mean BELIEVE.

 

[withheldforprivacy]

You should read Dragonball Multiverse these days. Goku (pre Ginyu zenkai) is strong enough to beat 3rd form Freeza with 10x kaioken.

 

[Super Neko Majin Z]

You should read Dragonball Multiverse these days. Goku (pre Ginyu zenkai) is strong enough to beat 3rd form Freeza with 10x kaioken.

That's nothing compared to his base Kamehameha actually hurting second form Frieza. I mean, at this rate you might as well have Krillin being stronger than Vegetto.

Oh wait...

 

[p123]

Yea that's false. The manga has Goku state that even a healed version (and improved) might not be able to do anything against 3rd Form Freeza.


3rd Form Freeza >> Expected Healed KKx10 Goku.

 

[ahill1]

It's a numerical impossibility. No one can reasonable fit all of these powers in between 1 million and 3. I dare anyone to try though.

Freeza 2nd form (initially) 1,060,000
~powered up 1,150,000
~full power 1,250,000

Piccolo (full power) 1,300,000

Gohan (enranged) 1,400,000
~Masenko 1,450,000

Freeza (3rd form) 1,500,000

Vegeta (Zenkai) 1,800,000

Freeza final form (initial) 2,000,000
~kicking Vegeta's ass 2,400,000
~Serious/no hands 3,250,000

Goku base (warming up) 2,300,000
~full power 3,000,000

:wink:

 

[p123]

Here's the problem...

2nd Form Freeza

His Initial Power is 92% of his powered up Power. Where is this reasonable at all? It's suggested to be a huge power up, he makes a dramatic difference in his ability and the Z team is shitting themselves. This should be a 1.2x boost at minimum imo.

Freeza's Powered Up Power is 92% of his Full Power for his Second Form. Yet, again, this is false. You conveniently forgot to put Weighted Piccolo in there because you know better. Weighted Piccolo should be slightly stronger than Powered Up Freeza, but significantly weaker than Freeza's 2nd Form Full Power. Your list does not support this.

If you are going to do a bullshit list, you might as well take the Kyo route. This is nowhere near a factual list.

 

[Kyo]

Last I tried this I had goku at 9 mil iirc

 

[SSJ2]

You have a list for that Kyo?

 

[Pyro]

It's probably from 3 years ago. He's been studying hard since then after he was warned of the impending trolldroid insurrection.