Why can't the 3 Million powerlevel function?

[SSJ2]

Oh.

 

[Cell]

Probably the list he was referring to: http://dbzf.co.uk/topic/8515752/1/

 

[SSJ2]

Good find.

 

[Kyo]

bit high i s'pose

 

[freezamite]

It's a numerical impossibility. No one can reasonable fit all of these powers in between 1 million and 3. I dare anyone to try though.

Freeza 2nd form (initially) 1,060,000
~powered up 1,150,000
~full power 1,250,000

Piccolo (full power) 1,300,000

Gohan (enranged) 1,400,000
~Masenko 1,450,000

Freeza (3rd form) 1,500,000

Vegeta (Zenkai) 1,800,000

Freeza final form (initial) 2,000,000
~kicking Vegeta's ass 2,400,000
~Serious/no hands 3,250,000

Goku base (warming up) 2,300,000
~full power 3,000,000

:wink:

I would say something like:
Freeza 2nd form (initially) 600,000
~powered up 850,000
~full power 1,050,000

Piccolo (full power) 1,150,000

Gohan (enranged against 3rd form) 800,000
~Masenko 1,450,000

Freeza (3rd form) 1,500,000

Vegeta (Zenkai) 1,500,000

Freeza final form (initial) 3,250,000
~kicking Vegeta's ass 3,250,000
~Serious/no hands 3,250,000

Goku base (warming up) 300,000
~full power 300,000

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

Initial 2nd form Freeza: 600K? God, pls save us!

 

[KyuubiAhri]

It's a numerical impossibility. No one can reasonable fit all of these powers in between 1 million and 3. I dare anyone to try though.

Freeza 2nd form (initially) 1,060,000
~powered up 1,150,000
~full power 1,250,000

Piccolo (full power) 1,300,000

Gohan (enranged) 1,400,000
~Masenko 1,450,000

Freeza (3rd form) 1,500,000

Vegeta (Zenkai) 1,800,000

Freeza final form (initial) 2,000,000
~kicking Vegeta's ass 2,400,000
~Serious/no hands 3,250,000

Goku base (warming up) 2,300,000
~full power 3,000,000

:wink:

I would say something like:
Freeza 2nd form (initially) 600,000
~powered up 850,000
~full power 1,050,000

Piccolo (full power) 1,150,000

Gohan (enranged against 3rd form) 800,000
~Masenko 1,450,000

Freeza (3rd form) 1,500,000

Vegeta (Zenkai) 1,500,000

Freeza final form (initial) 3,250,000
~kicking Vegeta's ass 3,250,000
~Serious/no hands 3,250,000

Goku base (warming up) 300,000
~full power 300,000

intial 2nd form frieza 600k is too low.Vegeta was shiting his pants when frieza transformed and he was expecting at least a moderate power up.You can have him a bit higher,like 700k.His power up to 850k is still a great increase

and BTW,you have Goku (warming up)=Goku full power.

 

[xmysticgohanx]

Freeza talking about his second form's max is possible

 

[ahill1]

Here's the problem...

2nd Form Freeza

His Initial Power is 92% of his powered up Power. Where is this reasonable at all? It's suggested to be a huge power up, he makes a dramatic difference in his ability and the Z team is shitting themselves. This should be a 1.2x boost at minimum imo.

Freeza's Powered Up Power is 92% of his Full Power for his Second Form. Yet, again, this is false. You conveniently forgot to put Weighted Piccolo in there because you know better. Weighted Piccolo should be slightly stronger than Powered Up Freeza, but significantly weaker than Freeza's 2nd Form Full Power. Your list does not support this.

If you are going to do a bullshit list, you might as well take the Kyo route. This is nowhere near a factual list.

Yeah I was more like bitting your challenge. I have Goku at 5,000,000. 3,900,000 if not going with Goku (full power) >> Goku (warming up).

Freeza 2nd form (FP) 1,600,000
Piccolo (FP) 1,700,000
Freeza 3rd form 2,250,000
Vegeta 3,000,000
Freeza final form (speedup) 4,100,000
Goku base (warming up) 3,900,000
Freeza final form (without hands) 5,500,000
Goku base (full power) 5,000,000

Seems perfect.

 

[p123]

Kyo, good list, you should post it here. I look forward to going through it.

@ahill

How strong do you have Initial Freeza at?

 

[ahill1]

3,400,000

 

[p123]

3rd Form Freeza is 66% of Final Form Freeza?

Don't you think that power up is a tad light considering all the hoopla surrounding it? Is 1st Form to 2nd Form really that much more dramatic? What are your reasons for this kind of gap? Not that it's terrible, but damn, that power up was pretty damn beast.

 

[freezamite]

intial 2nd form frieza 600k is too low.Vegeta was shiting his pants when frieza transformed and he was expecting at least a moderate power up.You can have him a bit higher,like 700k.His power up to 850k is still a great increase

and BTW,you have Goku (warming up)=Goku full power.

The thing is that I don't think Vegeta forced Freezer to use all his power in his weakest form. Considering how Vegeta had problems to breathe after his clash with Freezer's weakest form, while Freezer was still completely fresh, I think that Vegeta's power was at around 400.000 at best.
So 600.000 for 2nd form Freezer (a 50% increase) would be pretty big in DB terms.

Regarding Goku, I know I gave him the same strength while warming up than when fighting seriously. Warming up simply means to not force the limit of what you can do, and that can mean a lot of things. For example, 100% Freezer started his fight with a warm up, and his power clearly didn't increase when he started to fight seriously against SSJ Goku.

Even when Goku increasing his level of KK or slightly increasing his Ki while in KKx10 could also be valid interpretations, I prefer to put as few "invisible" energy increases as I can. That's why I have initial final form Freezer always at 3.250.000 even when he clearly increased his fighting capabilities in his fight against Vegeta. In the same way a character can increase his speed/strength increasing his power level if he still wasn't using it all, he can also increase his speed/strength without increasing his power level if he simply wasn't running/hitting with all his strength and suddenly starts to do so (like we regular human beings would do when warming up. We can't increase our Ki, so we simply run at half our maximum speed for example).

 

[KyuubiAhri]

intial 2nd form frieza 600k is too low.Vegeta was shiting his pants when frieza transformed and he was expecting at least a moderate power up.You can have him a bit higher,like 700k.His power up to 850k is still a great increase

and BTW,you have Goku (warming up)=Goku full power.

The thing is that I don't think Vegeta forced Freezer to use all his power in his weakest form. Considering how Vegeta had problems to breathe after his clash with Freezer's weakest form, while Freezer was still completely fresh, I think that Vegeta's power was at around 400.000 at best.
So 600.000 for 2nd form Freezer (a 50% increase) would be pretty big in DB terms.

Regarding Goku, I know I gave him the same strength while warming up than when fighting seriously. Warming up simply means to not force the limit of what you can do, and that can mean a lot of things. For example, 100% Freezer started his fight with a warm up, and his power clearly didn't increase when he started to fight seriously against SSJ Goku.

Even when Goku increasing his level of KK or slightly increasing his Ki while in KKx10 could also be valid interpretations, I prefer to put as few "invisible" energy increases as I can. That's why I have initial final form Freezer always at 3.250.000 even when he clearly increased his fighting capabilities in his fight against Vegeta. In the same way a character can increase his speed/strength increasing his power level if he still wasn't using it all, he can also increase his speed/strength without increasing his power level if he simply wasn't running/hitting with all his strength and suddenly starts to do so (like we regular human beings would do when warming up. We can't increase our Ki, so we simply run at half our maximum speed for example).

I see you just cant be reasoned with.I will leave it at that

 

[freezamite]

I see you just cant be reasoned with.I will leave it at that

That would be the case if you had even made a single argument for this thread. But as you did when you got owned in the Piccolo vs Cell thread, you simply shared your opinion without backing it and, in pure Evil Vegeta style, you expect me to accept what you say only because it's you that say it (but WHO are you exactly to think that you have any kind of authority in terms of debating about DB?).

Everything I've said is in the manga:
Vegeta being far more tired than Freezer after their clash, which means that he had to put a much greater effort than Freezer's weakest form:
http://mangalife.us/read-online/Dragon-Ball-chapter-101-index-2-page-13.html

Someone clearly warming up while at his maximum power:
http://mangalife.us/read-online/Dragon-Ball-chapter-127-index-2-page-14.html

As part of Evil Vegeta's defence force, I know you have problems to accept any opinion that's not exactly as you want it to be, but please, don't speak of "reasoning" when you aren't able to provide even a single argument against what I say.
Another EVDF member that leaves a discussion, although I don't think this can be considered a discussion, you haven't even provided a single argument against what I replied.

 

[p123]

Smart man Kyuubi. That's why the forum has that block function. I've been freezamite free for months and it's made this forum a much more pleasant experience. If the mods aren't willing to do their jobs and get rid of the peasants of this site, well, sometimes you gotta do your own dirty work.

 

[freezamite]

Smart man Kyuubi. That's why the forum has that block function. I've been freezamite free for months and it's made this forum a much more pleasant experience. If the mods aren't willing to do their jobs and get rid of the peasants of this site, well, sometimes you gotta do your own dirty work.

See? That's a good approach. If you don't like different opinions or being constantly owned you have that function. This way we all can enjoy being in here.

 

[KyuubiAhri]

Smart man Kyuubi. That's why the forum has that block function. I've been freezamite free for months and it's made this forum a much more pleasant experience. If the mods aren't willing to do their jobs and get rid of the peasants of this site, well, sometimes you gotta do your own dirty work.

Should we get rid of him though?I really don't like nor support his ideas about 50%>semi cell or even 100% frieza>cell games goku (he did actually claim suck a thing in one of his posts),but he still hasn't became a "dangerous person" that constantly flames and insults others.I don't even wanna discuss with him anymore.yes,this forum is created for discussions but some ridiculous ideas are not to be discussed .
Every controversial and irrational thread should be sent to Missing chromosomes where it belongs

 

[p123]

I didn't come here to deal with retards, keep those kinds of people on the other forums. This should be a place for fun and intelligent debate.

 

[KyuubiAhri]

For guys that came from Youtube,the ones that never read manga,only watched dubs "retard" wouldn't be appropriate word.They are just inexperianced.
Sadly,our friend Friezasmite had read the manga and should know better than this crap he's been uttering