Why did Piccolo concede to Yeast Kaioshin?

[SSJ2]

For all of you Kaioshin ball fondlers, why do you think Piccolo conceded to Yeasty? Why didn't he attempt to smash in this face?

 

[SSJ3 Gothic]

I just always assumed he was cucked by the spiritual hierarchy of the Kaioshins. Sort of like how old School Brits would never strike a king.

 

[Void]

I think he quit by guessing who Kaioshin was... it's not like he could sense Kaioshin.

 

[SSJ2]

Excellent points. His ki being insensible makes me wonder how people form the conlusion of Kaishin > Piccolo from that encounter. How would Piccolo know that he is inferior to Kaioshin without being able to sense him?

 

[GSM123]

Because he was afraid of him.

 

[GSM123]

Just remembered we got a pretty direct piece of evidence for this:

Not sure how accurate this is though. Kaioshin specifically mentions it might have been his true identity and I tend to treat Piccolo’s withdraw as a separate thing from his inferiority, but Piccolo did seem to shaken for this to just be his reaction to meeting King Kai’s boss.

 

[SSJ2]

But how is Piccolo able to sense a tremendous gap in their power? Kaioshin didn't give the slightest hint into his battle power. The gang just assumed him and Kibito were strong after meeting them.

He almost certainly withdrew after learning of his identity.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

As already said, he realised the difference in status, with Kami's influence to Piccolo's personality making it something he'd concede over. Shin makes it evident with his mention of Piccolo having caught on to who he may be, from which we can easily infer this to be the catalyst, and new material such as Super have done the exact opposite of supporting the idea of Piccolo having sensed Shin's Ki. If taking the Z anime into account, Piccolo does tell Galu after Vegeta's sacrifice that he can't sense Shin anymore, which shows he can at least sense him in this continuity, though it can't be used to support Shin > Piccolo when Piccolo had no issue dealing with someone who's magic Shin knew was a danger to him.

 

[Future Warrior]

I'm actually curious as to who Kaioshin expected to come out of this fight victorious if Piccolo had not conceded.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

I'm actually curious as to who Kaioshin expected to come out of this fight victorious if Piccolo had not conceded.

For what side material is worth, Budokai Tenkaichi 2 has a What-If where Piccolo wins and Shin is shocked that someone with such power could exist on Earth.

Only looking at the original manga, it's hard to say. He said he didn't believe he could beat Goku, yet it's not until Piccolo concedes that he seems aware of his link to Kami, with Shin perhaps having not heard of him or not heard enough of his capabilities. He probably would have expected him to not be far beyond the level of most Namekians.

 

[GSM123]

But how is Piccolo able to sense a tremendous gap in their power? Kaioshin didn't give the slightest hint into his battle power. The gang just assumed him and Kibito were strong after meeting them.

He almost certainly withdrew after learning of his identity.

I think they might have meant “sensing” in a more generic way, and Piccolo just felt it’s better to not fight Kaioshin for whatever reason.

He didn’t know his identity. He only came to learn who Kaioshin was when he talked to him later.

I think when Kaioshin read his mind, Piccolo just got the feeling it would be smarter to not fight him there. Telepathic bonding, gut feeling, whatever. Just get out of the ring and no one gets hurt.

 

[ahill1]

It's likely that Kaioshin's status turned Piccolo off from fighting him. That godly status was caught on by Piccolo, likely, due to Kami's influence, plus the first thing Kaioshin says after the fight was that Piccolo must have realized WHO he was. In fact, the first thing Piccolo does when they interact afterwards is ask if he's the Dai Kaio. Vegeta stated they haven't managed to get a clue on his power.

 

[SSJ2]

So can we all agree that this strength checker quote is nonsense?

Chapter: 439 (DBZ 245), P12.3-4
Context: after Piccolo and Kaioshin's match
Goku: “That much, Piccolo?...”
Piccolo: “Yeah…Our dimensions…are too different…”
Kuririn: “Yo-you’re kidding, right? Stop joking around! I-I’ve got to fight him next”
Note: Piccolo’s line is a pretty standard way of saying that someone is stronger than you. You can find a lot of instances of people being described as in “a different dimension” throughout these quotes, like Tenshinhan talking about Super Saiyan Goku, or the narrator describing final form Freeza. In Viz the line is made vaguer (“He is a different order of being”), which makes it sound like Piccolo could just be talking about how Kaioshin is a super-god, rather than about his strength per-say. Anyway, though Piccolo's pretty much flat-out saying Kaioshin's way stronger than him, you could still argue that he's mistaken or lying...I guess.

 

[GSM123]

Yeah, it doesn’t say anything about why Piccolo resigned. It only says he’d have lost if he didn’t.

 

[SSJ3 Gothic]

So can we all agree that this strength checker quote is nonsense?

Chapter: 439 (DBZ 245), P12.3-4
Context: after Piccolo and Kaioshin's match
Goku: “That much, Piccolo?...”
Piccolo: “Yeah…Our dimensions…are too different…”
Kuririn: “Yo-you’re kidding, right? Stop joking around! I-I’ve got to fight him next”
Note: Piccolo’s line is a pretty standard way of saying that someone is stronger than you. You can find a lot of instances of people being described as in “a different dimension” throughout these quotes, like Tenshinhan talking about Super Saiyan Goku, or the narrator describing final form Freeza. In Viz the line is made vaguer (“He is a different order of being”), which makes it sound like Piccolo could just be talking about how Kaioshin is a super-god, rather than about his strength per-say. Anyway, though Piccolo's pretty much flat-out saying Kaioshin's way stronger than him, you could still argue that he's mistaken or lying...I guess.

There's not much accuracy to Piccolo's statement here, though. He believes Kaioshin is stronger than him, and Krillin, that's fair enough. But if he could have sensed power correctly here, he'd have followed that up with "Yeah but he's way weaker than Goku, Gohan and Vegeta, so we've got nothing to worry about in the long run."

"Different order of being" seems more fitting, as in fear of the unknown or something almost Holy.

 

[SSJ2]

Yeah, it doesn’t say anything about why Piccolo resigned. It only says he’d have lost if he didn’t.

And how does he know that?

 

[SSJ3 Gothic]

He might be aware of the abilities Shin processes, like Kai-Kai and his psychic hold he puts on Gohan. Even without being wholly sure, the potential for a completely unique, even mystical skillet could set the stage for a loss.

Also, there's the potential for Piccolo to do his own internal scaling and assuming Kami>Kaio-sama>>>>>Kaioshin, thus allowing Piccolo's alarmism to inflate Shin's actual power.

 

[SSJ3 Gothic]

Also, where does "Yeast" come from?

 

[SSJ2]

He might be aware of the abilities Shin processes, like Kai-Kai and his psychic hold he puts on Gohan. Even without being wholly sure, the potential for a completely unique, even mystical skillet could set the stage for a loss.

Also, there's the potential for Piccolo to do his own internal scaling and assuming Kami>Kaio-sama>>>>>Kaioshin, thus allowing Piccolo's alarmism to inflate Shin's actual power.

Perhaps. Piccolo does suspect Kaioshin to be the Grand Kaio, so it's likely he is assuming that he's strong. I still find it unlike Piccolo to be completely paralyzed in this situation given his usual levelheadedness. More reason to believe he was backing out of the match due to respect if anything imo.

Also, where does "Yeast" come from?

KP coined the term in 2012

 

[Captain Cadaver]

It's also worth noting that the anime has Kaio hype up Dai Kaio (who Piccolo believed Shin to be) as the greatest master in Other World and implied he was above the likes of SPC. If Piccolo expected Dai Kaio to live up even slightly to the hype, I can see why he'd expect Shin to be completely beyond himself.