Why did Vegeta think he was a match for Perfect Cell?

[kriss-]

Trunks becomes a Super Saiyan Grade 2

Yet Vegeta still believes he can take Cell, despite watching Super Saiyan Grade 2 Trunks get effortlessly owned? If Trunks couldn't get through his barrier, what the f*** was Vegeta thinking?

 

[Papasmurf]

Arrogance/self-delusion/underestimating Goku and Cell

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

Two reasons comes to my mind.

a. Cell's transformation doesn't relate to his power.
b. Vegeta wants to test his Final flash against Cell like Trunks said on English dub.

 

[kriss-]

Hmmm, I believe this feat makes the gap between Gogeta and Omega Shenron not so large anymore, since it is entirely the same thing.

 

[Tapion]

What do you mean with that? Lord SSj4 Gogeta is much stronger than everyone in the franchise.
I'm not joking.

 

[kriss-]

Nope.

The two feats are similar, both Trunks and Omega Shenron couldn't get through Cells or Gogeta aura. Albeit, the Gogeta and Omega gap would be slightly larger.

 

[sei'taer]

Because the barrier he had around him while transforming isn't indicative of his battle power. Which right after transforming vegeta doesn't even seem to think has changed that much.

If cell had gotten the same kind of increase from absorbing 18 as he did 17, vegeta would probably stand a chance.

 

[kriss-]

I think the aura around him would definitely be indicative of his battle power, it couldn't be anything else. Vegeta was just too prideful to admit it.

 

[Tapion]

Nope.

The two feats are similar, both Trunks and Omega Shenron couldn't get through Cells or Gogeta aura. Albeit, the Gogeta and Omega gap would be slightly larger.

If Vegeta was wanting to let Cell transform even after he heard that he would greatly power up, i don't see why he wouldn't be arrogant enough to think that he could take Cell even after that scene.

Also, Lord Gogeta wasn't even close to being close to his full power on that scene, and yet he managed to tank Omega Shenron.

 

[kriss-]

Gogeta couldn't one shot Omega Shenron with his strongest attack; therefore, Omega Shenron being unable to bypass his aura doesn't mean much, especially in the face of previous examples and basic reading comprehension.

 

[Tapion]

One-shotting gaps aren't linear. How many times i have to tell this to you?

 

[kriss-]

Neither are gaps in general. But this doesn't mean that you can use any sort of example to determine anything based on <-Insert One-Shot Gaps/Gaps in general ->. They are hypocritical and do not scale linearly.

 

[Tapion]

I never said DIRECTLY that gaps in general were linear, the only thing that i said in the matter was:
"It looks like that a 2x gap is always a stomp to the stronger fighter, unless the weaker fighter uses a combination of extreme strategy, or teamwork"

 

[kriss-]

Gaps in general are not linear. One-shotting gaps are not linear. For either to be determinable means they both have to be linear. Because to determine what a specific outcome based on a specific gap would yield, would mean you have have to scale backwards from what a one-shotting gap actually is; like-wise, from what other gaps actually are and their predetermined conclusions. Additionally, to determine what a one-shotting gap is requires you to have a consensus on what a predetermined expectation for a specific gap -of any sort, actually is.

None of what you're arguing makes any sense. For one to be true, both have to be true, you can't pick and choose.

 

[Tapion]

Did you even read what i wrote?

 

[sei'taer]

I think the aura around him would definitely be indicative of his battle power, it couldn't be anything else. Vegeta was just too prideful to admit it.

It wasn't an aura, it was clearly a barrier of some sort, just like 17 used, just like cell uses later.

Vegeta isn't just prideful, cell is suppressing his power.

Chapter: 383 (DBZ 189), P3.1
Context: after Cell defeats Kuririn
Vegeta: “Are you happy to harass a piece of garbage like that? Just like I thought, even after reaching your perfect form you still don’t seem like anything special.”

Chapter: 383 (DBZ 189), P4.8, P5.1, P6.1
Context: after Kuririn says Vegeta will be killed by Cell
Kuririn: “It-it’s true that I’m absolutely nothing special compared to you Saiyans…B-but I can at least tell how strong my opponent is…S-so I know how fearsome he is…Even though I was just barely tapped by him, I know his fearsomeness…! You can’t go by the ki you can feel now…He’s hiding far, far more terrible power…!”

Chapter: 382 (DBZ 188), P11.1-4
No.16: “Cell really did get considerably stronger…But Vegeta’s still better than him at everything!”
Vegeta: “Damn you. You’re not taking this seriously.”
Cell: “I told you I was warming-up.”

Vegeta doesn't think cell's that strong, even 16 probably the most precise chi sensor among them believe vegeta is still stronger at first.

 

[kriss-]

It has to derive from battle power, that's what auras are.

 

[sei'taer]

Again, not an aura.

 

[kriss-]

It's a barrier, aka Ki, aka aura. There is no other explanation in Dragonball Z. According to you, we should disregard it for whatever reason without coming up for an alternative solution.

Characters have been shown to manifest things outside of their body without Magic or Ki, so if anything, you're creating a logical fallacy.

 

[Tapion]

Barrier = \ = Aura. Android 17 flat-out proves that.