Why even after turning into a SSJ, Trunks couldn't dispose of #18...

[ahill1]

in a hand to hand combat? Trunks could at least throw a punch in the costume and defend a few of her punches, but as soon as they turned into SSJs and got 50x stronger they still couldn't accomplish much in a hand to hand combat?

 

[Captain Cadaver]

They never fought her beyond the Ki blast after going SSJ in the manga to my knowledge.

 

[ahill1]

They never fought her beyond the Ki blast after going SSJ in the manga to my knowledge.

Yeah, but Trunks stated they are still at a disadvantage against 18 that way... and opted to go with chi blasts. Considering they could still defend themselves from #18 in base (or at least, Trunks could), shouldn't becoming 50x stronger give them the obvious advantage even in that suit?

 

[Tapion]

Trunks was still unexperienced and heavily dependant on mobility, and the suit provided him with zero of it. He's not a skilled beast like Piccolo or Goku.

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

Like Tapion said, Trunks and Goten aren't skillfull yet and relied a lot of their power rather than their own skills or technique. This is also the reason why Goku didn't pick the kids on the upcoming tournament as well.

 

[Evil Vegeta]

Tapion got it.

Trunks said they were "still at a disadvantage" because becoming Super Saiyan didn't change the fact that they were restricted in a shitty costume.

 

[ahill1]

Tapion got it.

Trunks said they were "still at a disadvantage" because becoming Super Saiyan didn't change the fact that they were restricted in a shitty costume.

But they could already fight in base and Trunks could throw a punch, as well as defending himself from #18. He became 50x stronger and yet it wouldn't matter?

 

[Fantastische Hure]

Could also be that since they're children and haven't seemed to train as much in their Super-Saiyan that they haven't fully mastered Super-Saiyan as much as the adults. The strain would probably make it even harder to keep themselves coordinated in a costume.

 

[Evil Vegeta]

Tapion got it.

Trunks said they were "still at a disadvantage" because becoming Super Saiyan didn't change the fact that they were restricted in a shitty costume.

But they could already fight in base and Trunks could throw a punch, as well as defending himself from #18. He became 50x stronger and yet it wouldn't matter?

Yeah, but their movement was still hampered. If Goten can't properly guide him, or kick back at #18, the disadvantage will remain.

 

[ahill1]

Tapion got it.

Trunks said they were "still at a disadvantage" because becoming Super Saiyan didn't change the fact that they were restricted in a shitty costume.

But they could already fight in base and Trunks could throw a punch, as well as defending himself from #18. He became 50x stronger and yet it wouldn't matter?

Yeah, but their movement was still hampered. If Goten can't properly guide him, or kick back at #18, the disadvantage will remain.

So turning into SSJ didn't make them faster?

 

[Evil Vegeta]

Not enough to disregard the limitations of that costume.

Otherwise, it wouldn't make sense for Trunks to say they're still at a disadvantage. If #18 overwhelmed Super Saiyan Trunks in H2H and then he said that, I could see how it'd be interpreted as Trunks believing they're too weak to handle #18. Instead, he states it right after transforming. If I had to look at the statement in its entirety, Trunks and Goten transformed, with Trunks realizing that, despite being powered-up, he doesn't feel any better in the costume. That's why he says they have no choice but to use a Chi-blast.

That costume sucks.

 

[ahill1]

Not enough to disregard the limitations of that costume.

Otherwise, it wouldn't make sense for Trunks to say they're still at a disadvantage. If #18 overwhelmed Super Saiyan Trunks in H2H and then he said that, I could see how it'd be interpreted as Trunks believing they're too weak to handle #18. Instead, he states it right after transforming. If I had to look at the statement in its entirety, Trunks and Goten transformed, with Trunks realizing that, despite being powered-up, he doesn't feel any better in the costume. That's why he says they have no choice but to use a Chi-blast.

That costume sucks.

Do you think the chi blast was amplified? Maybe all chi blasts are amplified and Trunks suppressing it just means it'd be on his level? Like

Trunks SSJ 10
~Chi blast 15
~Suppressed 10

 

[Evil Vegeta]

Yeah, I think it was amplified.

With the way Trunks and Goten seemed to raise their powers to maximum, I believe Mighty Mask was at a weaker level. Probably around 60-80% of their full-power. The blast would be somewhere around that. Trunks was about to throw another blast at her, so it's possible he would've made that one more powerful and fast so she wouldn't dodge again.

 

[Jeff Styles]

Their powers may have increase, but their speed seems to remain the same. Also, Goten is hurting Trunks more than helping him. Goten is basically dead weight in the costume.

 

[ahill1]

Yeah, I think it was amplified.

With the way Trunks and Goten seemed to raise their powers to maximum, I believe Mighty Mask was at a weaker level. Probably around 60-80% of their full-power. The blast would be somewhere around that. Trunks was about to throw another blast at her, so it's possible he would've made that one more powerful and fast so she wouldn't dodge again.

But if you think Trunks' blast was amplified, then the kids would be way, way weaker than someone like Piccolo, for example. So you think the blast was at kid Trunks' SSJ level, rather than behind it?

 

[ahill1]

Yeah, I think it was amplified.

With the way Trunks and Goten seemed to raise their powers to maximum, I believe Mighty Mask was at a weaker level. Probably around 60-80% of their full-power. The blast would be somewhere around that. Trunks was about to throw another blast at her, so it's possible he would've made that one more powerful and fast so she wouldn't dodge again.

So would #18 be around 60% of kid Trunks' strength?

 

[Evil Vegeta]

I don't think Trunks was anywhere close to full-power when he transformed.

So the amplification from his blast wouldn't need to be that siginificant.

 

[ahill1]

I don't think Trunks was anywhere close to full-power when he transformed.

So the amplification from his blast wouldn't need to be that siginificant.

Why do you think Trunks wasn't at his FP? Because later he showed such to Piccolo?

Also, what did Trunks mean by "doing it appropriately"? Making a blast <<< his FP or not amplifying it?

 

[Evil Vegeta]

Basically because they do an extended power-up to reach their full-power. Both kids transformed to Super Saiyan before raising their power to maximum. I don't think they just start out at full-power. The kids transforming just seemed like a regular thing to me.

By not making the blast too powerful to the point where it might accidentally kill #18.

 

[ahill1]

Basically because they do an extended power-up to reach their full-power. Both kids transformed to Super Saiyan before raising their power to maximum. I don't think they just start out at full-power. The kids transforming just seemed like a regular thing to me.

By not making the blast too powerful to the point where it might accidentally kill #18.

Goku also did an extend power up in the Cell Games and yet later he seems to reach full power as soon as he transforms.

But if the blast was amplified, why would it be <<< kid Trunks?