Why even after turning into a SSJ, Trunks couldn't dispose of #18...

[ahill1]

Nothing, EV?

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

Remember they were overrating her. Trunks thought she could deflect or tank a blast that could have killed her. The clothe and Goten were also a dead weight.

 

[ahill1]

If anything I think they underrated her.

 

[Evil Vegeta]

Basically because they do an extended power-up to reach their full-power. Both kids transformed to Super Saiyan before raising their power to maximum. I don't think they just start out at full-power. The kids transforming just seemed like a regular thing to me.

By not making the blast too powerful to the point where it might accidentally kill #18.

Goku also did an extend power up in the Cell Games and yet later he seems to reach full power as soon as he transforms.

But if the blast was amplified, why would it be <<< kid Trunks?

That's Goku, though. All characters aren't the same. Goku still needed an extended power-up to reach full-power despite having complete mastery over the form. When he transformed against Yakon, we don't know if he was actually at full-power or not. Either way, he still has far more training and a better understanding over the form than the kids do.

Because it wasn't his full-power. Remember when Vegeta fired a held-back blast at #18 that wasn't at full-power? The only thing said was it wasn't his all in the blast, but it was more power than he used up to that point. Despite that being the most he's used, it still was nothing compared to what he could do at full-power.

You can use amplified attacks that aren't necessarily above your full-power. Cell fired a KMHMH at Goku while he was revved-up, so we know it was an amplified blast. It also was far inferior to the full-power KMHMH he used later on against Gohan. Amplification varies.

 

[ahill1]

Basically because they do an extended power-up to reach their full-power. Both kids transformed to Super Saiyan before raising their power to maximum. I don't think they just start out at full-power. The kids transforming just seemed like a regular thing to me.

By not making the blast too powerful to the point where it might accidentally kill #18.

Goku also did an extend power up in the Cell Games and yet later he seems to reach full power as soon as he transforms.

But if the blast was amplified, why would it be <<< kid Trunks?

That's Goku, though. All characters aren't the same. Goku still needed an extended power-up to reach full-power despite having complete mastery over the form. When he transformed against Yakon, we don't know if he was actually at full-power or not. Either way, he still has far more training and a better understanding over the form than the kids do.

Because it wasn't his full-power. Remember when Vegeta fired a held-back blast at #18 that wasn't at full-power? The only thing said was it wasn't his all in the blast, but it was more power than he used up to that point. Despite that being the most he's used, it still was nothing compared to what he could do at full-power.

You can use amplified attacks that aren't necessarily above your full-power. Cell fired a KMHMH at Goku while he was revved-up, so we know it was an amplified blast. It also was far inferior to the full-power KMHMH he used later on against Gohan. Amplification varies.

What about kid Trunks vs Vegeta then? As soon as kid Trunks turned into a SSJ he seemed to be at full power, with his power being enough to give Vegeta some pressure. He didn't do an extend power up.

The Cell KMHMH situation is different. Goku said Cell can't fire a KMHMH when he is powered up so much, meaning his KMHMH is that strong because it's amplifying a power already pretty strong to begin with... same thing with Cell's KMHMH against Gohan, in which it was way stronger than before because Cell was also way stronger.

Is there examples of blasts not being amplified?

 

[Evil Vegeta]

He turned into a Super Saiyan just to move around. Vegeta had already been training for awhile, so there's no telling what level Trunks is at there. The objective was to land a hit, which I suppose you could assume he used his full-power to do. But even so, we know Trunks didn't use full-power against #18. If he had it in mind to use a blast that wasn't strong enough to kill, wouldn't it be counterproductive to go straight to full-power, then try and utilize enough power to not outright take her out? That would mean he really had to perfectly control his power. If he casually transformed and went from there, it would seem more sensible. They're kids. Minimizing effort seems appropriate here.

It isn't that different from the point I'm trying to make. That being Trunks fired an amplified blast from his Super Saiyan state that wasn't at full-power. We know the blast is weaker than anything he could do at full-power because it's implied that the blast was controlled to a level less than that. If Trunks was powered-up to maximum, naturally the blast would be far more powerful. That's why the Cell example is a good enough baseline to use. He powered-up and fired a KMHMH that Goku considered dangerous. Trunks powered-up and fired a blast that #18 considered dangerous.

Neither attack was at full-power. Cell definitely wasn't in a full-power state. I don't see why Trunks would be when we see him transform and further power-up to reach maximum power later. Especially if the key is to withhold enough power to not outright blow her to pieces. Going full-power just seems strange there.

I don't think every attack needs amplification. Freeza's finger beams don't need it. You could probably say uncharged KMHMH's don't need it, either.