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withheldforprivacy · Dec 11, 2018

KING KAI'S TRAINING

Piccolo: 250.000
-weights off: 300.000

Tenshinhan: 80.000

Yamcha: 50.000

Chaozu: 10.000

FREEZA SAGA

Freeza 1st form: 530.000

Vegeta: 500.000

Gohan: 400.000 and increasing
-enraged: 1.000.000

Krillin: 250.000 and increasing

Freeza 2nd form: 1.060.000
-powered up: 1.200.000
-max: 1.400.000

Piccolo: 1.250.000
-weights off: 1.500.000

Freeza 3rd form: 2.250.000

Gohan (zenkai): 1.100.000
-enraged: 1.650.000
-full power blast: 2.200.000
-anime filler rage: 3.300.000

Vegeta (zenkai): 3.000.000

Freeza 4th form: 3.000.000-6.750.000 (fluctuates with effort)
-max: 280.000.000

Goku: 4.500.000
-max: 6.000.000
-SSJ: 300.000.000

GARLIC JR SAGA

Gohan: 1.100.000
-enraged: 3.300.000

Krillin: 1.000.000

Piccolo: 2.250.000

Salt: 1.300.000

Mustard: 1.100.000

Vinegar: 1.100.000
-makyo boost: 1.650.000

Spice: 1.200.000
-makyo boost: 1.800.000

Garlic Jr: 2.000.000
-makyo boost: 3.000.000

MECHA SAGA

Mecha Freeza: 160.000.000
-max: 320.000.000

King Cold: 160.000.000

Alternate Trunks: 9.600.000
-SSJ: 480.000.000

Goku: 12.000.000
-SSJ: 600.000.000

Vegeta: 6.000.000

Piccolo: 5.500.000

Gohan: 1.100.000

Krillin: 1.000.000

Tenshinhan: 300.000

Yamcha: 150.000

Chaozu: 15.000

LONE WARRIOR

Alternate Vegeta (death): 6.600.000
-SSJ: 330.000.000

Alternate Gohan (2 arms): 7.200.000
-SSJ: 360.000.000

Alternate Gohan (1 arm): 9.000.000
-SSJ: 450.000.000

Alternate Trunks (teen): 7.500.000
-SSJ: 375.000.000

Eighteen: 1.000.000.000

Seventeen: 1.000.000.000

Alternate Gohan (anime): 25.000.000
-SSJ: 1.250.000.000

MOVIE 5
(Timeline placement: During the 3 years between Freeza-Androids)

Goku: 13.500.000
-invisible 10x kaioken: 135.000.000
-SSJ: 675.000.000

Coola: 125.000.000
-transformed: 540.000.000

Piccolo: 10.000.000

Salza: 9.000.000

Dore: 7.000.000

Naize: 6.500.000

ANDROIDS SAGA

Krillin: 10.000.000

Tenshinhan: 6.000.000

Yamcha: 1.000.000

Goku: 20.000.000
-SSJ: 1.000.000.000

Vegeta: 21.000.000
-SSJ: 1.050.000.000

Piccolo: 800.000.000

Alternate Trunks: 18.000.000
-SSJ: 900.000.000

Gohan: 18.000.000

Nineteen: 500.000.000
-post energy: 700.000.000

Twenty: 600.000.000
-post energy: 650.000.000

Eighteen: 1.350.000.000

Seventeen: 1.500.000.000

Piccolo (post Kami): 1.400.000.000
-weights off: 1.600.000.000

Ginger Cell: 1.200.000.000

Humans Cell: 3.200.000.000

Sixteen: 3.000.000.000

Semi Cell: 6.000.000.000
-max: 9.000.000.000

Tenshinhan's neo tri beam: 6.000.000.000

Vegeta (post room): 120.000.000
-SSJ: 6.000.000.000
-ASSJ: 12.000.000.000

Alternate Trunks (post room): 114.000.000
-SSJ: 5.700.000.000
-ASSJ: 11.400.000.000
-USSJ1: 22.800.000.000
-USSJ2: 28.500.000.000

Perfect Cell: 11.250.000.000
-silent power up: 24.000.000.000
-buffed: 32.000.000.000

IN SPIRIT ROOM

Goku: 28.000.000
-SSJ: 1.400.000.000
-ASSJ: 2.800.000.000
-USSJ: 7.000.000.000

Gohan: 26.000.000
-SSJ: 1.300.000.000

MOVIE 7
(TImeline placement: In the 'no Cell' timeline, after Androids were deactivated)

Goku: 20.000.000
-SSJ: 1.000.000.000

Vegeta: 21.000.000
-SSJ: 1.050.000.000

Alternate Trunks: 18.000.000
-SSJ: 900.000.000

Piccolo: 1.400.000.000
-weights off: 1.600.000.000

Thirteen: 1.050.000.000

Fourteen: 850.000.000

Fifteen: 950.000.000

Super Thirteen: 2.850.000.000

Goku (spirit bomb absorbed): 6.000.000.000

MOVIE 6
(Timeline placement: After Movie 7)

Robots: 10.000.000

Krillin: 10.000.000

Gohan: 18.000.000

Piccolo: 1.750.000.000
-weights off: 2.000.000.000

Coola: 1.500.000.000
-zenkai: 2.200.000.000

Goku: 33.000.000
-SSJ: 1.650.000.000

Vegeta: 33.000.000
-SSJ: 1.650.000.000

CELL GAMES

Goku: 1.440.000.000
-SSJ: 72.000.000.000

Perfect Cell: 24.000.000.000
-powered up: 80.000.000.000
-true speed: 100.000.000.000
-max: 135.000.000.000
-buffed: 162.000.000.000
-zenkai: 180.000.000.000

Gohan: 2.000.000.000
-SSJ: 100.000.000.000
-SSJ2: 200.000.000.000
-SSJ2 (wounded): 90.000.000.000
-SSJ2 (post daddy's blowjob): 160.000.000.000
-SSJ2 (final burst): 180.000.000.000

Vegeta: 800.000.000
-SSJ: 40.000.000.000

Alternate Trunks: 800.000.000
-SSJ: 40.000.000.000

Cell Jrs: 38.000.000.000

Piccolo: 32.000.000.000

MOVIE 8
(Timeline placement: During the 10 days before Cell Games)

Goku: 1.440.000.000
-SSJ: 72.000.000.000

Vegeta: 800.000.000
-SSJ: 40.000.000.000

Alternate Trunks: 800.000.000
-SSJ: 40.000.000.000

Piccolo: 32.000.000.000

Gohan: 2.000.000.000
-SSJ (reluctant): 33.000.000.000

Broly: 3.200.000.000
-RSSJ: 80.000.000.000
-SSJ: 160.000.000.000
-LSSJ: 400.000.000.000

MOVIE 9

Gohan: 2.000.000.000
-SSJ: 100.000.000.000
-SSJ2: 200.000.000.000

Bojack: 112.500.000.000
-transformed: 150.000.000.000

Bujin: 75.000.000.000

Zangya: 75.000.000.000

Alternate Trunks: 1.400.000.000
-SSJ: 70.000.000.000

Vegeta: 1.400.000.000
-SSJ: 70.000.000.000

Kogu: 35.000.000.000

Tenshinhan (neo tri beam absorbed): 1.350.000.000

OTHERWORLD TOURNAMENT

Perfect Cell: 32.000.000.000

Goku: 1.600.000.000
-SSJ: 80.000.000.000
-super kaioken: 120.000.000.000

Pikkon: 1.600.000.000
-weights off: 90.000.000.000

Olibu: 1.500.000.000

BUU SAGA

Gohan: 2.000.000.000
-SSJ: 100.000.000.000
-Pseudo SSJ2: 133.000.000.000
-Budokai SSJ2: 150.000.000.000
-SSJ2 (max): 200.000.000.000

Vegeta: 2.250.000.000
-SSJ: 112.500.000.000
-SSJ2 (pre majin): 187.500.000.000
-SSJ2 (majin): 225.000.000.000

Goku: 2.250.000.000
-SSJ: 112.500.000.000
-SSJ2: 225.000.000.000
-SSJ3: 675.000.000.000

Goten: 1.800.000.000
-SSJ: 90.000.000.000

Trunks: 1.900.000.000
-SSJ: 95.000.000.000

Pocus: 1.200.000.000

Yakon: 2.400.000.000

Kaioshin: 1.200.000.000

Kibito: 90.000.000

Dabura: 125.000.000.000

Fat Buu: 630.000.000.000

Gohan (sword): 2.700.000.000
-SSJ: 135.000.000.000
-SSJ2: 270.000.000.000

Gotenks: 300.000.000.000
-SSJ: 750.000.000.000

Good Buu: 280.000.000.000

Grey Buu: 350.000.000.000

Goten (post room): 2.000.000.000
-SSJ: 100.000.000.000

Trunks (post room): 2.000.000.000
-SSJ: 100.000.000.000

Gotenks (post room): 800.000.000.000
-SSJ: 2.000.000.000.000
-SSJ3: 4.000.000.000.000

Super Buu: 3.750.000.000.000

Ultimate Gohan: 5.000.000.000.000

Buutenks: 7.750.000.000.000

Buuhan: 8.750.000.000.000

Vegetto: 9.000.000.000.000
-SSJ: 22.500.000.000.000

Kibitoshin: 180.000.000.000

Tenshinhan: 2.000.000.000

Buffed Buu: 6.000.000.000.000

Kid Buu: 675.000.000.000

MOVIE 10
(In a timeline where Fat Buu was killed by SSJ3 Goku)

Gohan: 2.700.000.000
-SSJ: 135.000.000.000
-SSJ2: 270.000.000.000

Goten: 1.800.000.000
-SSJ: 90.000.000.000

Trunks: 1.900.000.000
-SSJ: 95.000.000.000

Broly: 3.200.000.000
-SSJ: 160.000.000.000
-LSSJ: 400.000.000.000

MOVIE 11
(Timeline placement: After Movie 10)

Goten: 2.000.000.000
-SSJ: 100.000.000.000

Trunks: 2.000.000.000
-SSJ: 100.000.000.000

Bio Broly: 120.000.000.000

MOVIE 12
(Timeline placement: After Movie 11)

Goku: 3.000.000.000
-SSJ: 150.000.000.000
-SSJ2: 300.000.000.000
-SSJ3: 900.000.000.000

Vegeta: 2.250.000.000
-SSJ: 112.500.000.000
-SSJ2: 225.000.000.000

Fat Janemba: 700.000.000.000

Super Janemba: 840.000.000.000
-max: 1.120.000.000.000

Gogeta: 900.000.000.000
-SSJ: 2.250.000.000.000

END OF Z (SUPER CAN FUCK ITSELF)

Goku: 5.000.000.000
-SSJ: 250.000.000.000
-SSJ2: 500.000.000.000
-SSJ3: 1.500.000.000.000

Vegeta: 5.000.000.000
-SSJ: 250.000.000.000
-SSJ2: 500.000.000.000
-SSJ3: 1.500.000.000.000

Goten: 2.500.000.000
-SSJ: 125.000.000.000

Trunks: 2.500.000.000
-SSJ: 125.000.000.000

Pan: 3.000.000.000

Ubb: 15
-enraged: 5.000.000.000
-final kiai: 675.000.000.000

Fantastische Hure · Dec 12, 2018

Vegeta and Trunks could be lower than the Cell Jr.s in my opinion.

Gohan was stated to have gotten lower in the 7 years.

Fantastische Hure · Dec 12, 2018

good list though

withheldforprivacy · Dec 12, 2018

Fantastische Hure said:
Vegeta and Trunks could be lower than the Cell Jr.s in my opinion.

Gohan was stated to have gotten lower in the 7 years.

1. I wanted to place Cell Jrs as close to Piccolo as possible.

2. He did, SSJ2 wise.

Fantastische Hure · Dec 12, 2018

I definitely think his SSJ2 lower but why not his regular-self? Do you think just his SSJ2 got lower or that he needs to be enraged?

withheldforprivacy · Dec 12, 2018

Fantastische Hure said:
I definitely think his SSJ2 lower but why not his regular-self? Do you think just his SSJ2 got lower or that he needs to be enraged?

He couldn't draw out all his SSJ2 power unless he was enraged.

Fantastische Hure · Dec 13, 2018

kewl

SSJ2 = ASSJ?

withheldforprivacy · Dec 13, 2018

Fantastische Hure said:
kewl

SSJ2 = ASSJ?

Yes and no. I theorize that grade forms become less effective as one's SSJ power increases, that's why I gave Buffed Cell (Gohan) a lower boost than Buffed Cell (Trunks).

Fantastische Hure · Dec 13, 2018

That's kewl. I like that this list is different from others I've seen. Where'd you say anime Yamcha'd be?

Although I'd like to see SSJ2 be more than just 2x.

Also in my opinion young SSJ2 Gohan > Ultimate Gohan & all. :troll

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withheldforprivacy · Dec 14, 2018

Fantastische Hure said:
Where'd you say anime Yamcha'd be?

I decided to ignore the anime scene with Olibu, so he's his Androids Saga self.

Fantastische Hure · Dec 15, 2018

But Yamcha & Kuririn were also Kaio's back-up plan in case Goku & Vegeta failed.

withheldforprivacy · Dec 15, 2018

Fantastische Hure said:
But Yamcha & Kuririn were also Kaio's back-up plan in case Goku & Vegeta failed.

Well, in my list, I put their suppressed powers. Their unseen full powers are at quadrillions, obviously.

GSM123 · Dec 15, 2018

Fantastische Hure said:
Also in my opinion young SSJ2 Gohan > Ultimate Gohan & all. 2 2 2

That's not your opinion, that's a fact.

Fantastische Hure · Dec 15, 2018

Exactly but other people'd think I'm crazy for thinking that. :troll

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Fantastische Hure · Dec 17, 2018

Can you talk through your list on some of the more interesting things?

withheldforprivacy · Dec 17, 2018

Fantastische Hure said:
Can you talk through your list on some of the more interesting things?

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Fantastische Hure · Dec 17, 2018

withheldforprivacy said:
Fantastische Hure said:

Can you talk through your list on some of the more interesting things?

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I mean stuff that's different from others.

Also how many times do you change your lists or believes?

withheldforprivacy · Dec 17, 2018

Fantastische Hure said:
withheldforprivacy said:

Fantastische Hure said:

Can you talk through your list on some of the more interesting things?

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I mean stuff that's different from others.

Also how many times do you change your lists or believes?

The main beliefs that are unique to me are 'Gohan's Pseudo SSJ2' theory and a theory about Buus' powers which I didn't use in this list because it's kinda complicated; I'll post a thread analyzing it soon.

Fantastische Hure · Dec 17, 2018

I like the Pseudo SSJ2 thing. I'll be looking forward to it.

What do you think of Pakl's method of figuring-out movie power-levels?

All jokes aside I'd really like to think SSJ2 Gohan is above everyone in DragonBall, do you just joke because you got Ultimate-Gohan and others higher?

withheldforprivacy · Dec 17, 2018

Fantastische Hure said:
1. I like the Pseudo SSJ2 thing. I'll be looking forward to it.

2. What do you think of Pakl's method of figuring-out movie power-levels?

3. All jokes aside I'd really like to think SSJ2 Gohan is above everyone in DragonBall, do you just joke because you got Ultimate-Gohan and others higher?

1. Looking forward to what? I have already stated this theory. Gohan's Base/SSJ are the same as 7 years ago, but he couldn't draw out all his SSJ2 power so easily. Pseudo SSJ2 is the form he used against Dabura.

2. In my headcanon, movies take place where they make the most sense and that's how I decide their PLs. But I think there should be various opinions on the forum and I'm sad that everyone with unique views (Tosh, Freezamite, Pakl) ended up banned.

3. Well, I have always considered SSJ2 Kid Gohan the coolest looking fighter in DBZ and I'm glad that we found a way to argue he's the strongest.

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