Yakon vs Freeza

[ahill1]

Who wins?

 

[Notaka]

I'd give it to Frieza. But he definitely needs to use 50% of his power or more to win.

 

[Ultimate Cell]

I think Yakon claps here.

 

[SSJ2]

Golden Freeza wins.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

Shin can oneshot Freeza yet is scared of Yakon. With that and the other strong inferences for the Base Saiyans being far above Freeza's level at this point, it's clear to see how things are going to go.

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

Freeza wins easily.

 

[Pocket-Gog~]

I'd give it to Frieza. But he definitely needs to use 50% of his power or more to win.

Why do you think that?

 

[Notaka]

Why do you think that?

A databook has 1 kili = 50,000 BP. Yakon has 800 kili so he should have around 40 millions.

Also, he managed to somewhat keep up with Base Goku who, at this point, have him superior to 50% Frieza in my list.

 

[Papasmurf]

Why do you think that?

A databook has 1 kili = 50,000 BP. Yakon has 800 kili so he should have around 40 millions.

Also, he managed to somewhat keep up with Base Goku who, at this point, have him superior to 50% Frieza in my list.

That databook is bullshit. By that logic Goku hasn't gotten any stronger than his Namek self, as 50k x 3000 would be 150 mil. They clearly just divided Galu's Daizenshuu number by 3000 and called it a day.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

A databook has 1 kili = 50,000 BP. Yakon has 800 kili so he should have around 40 millions.

Databooks are a case by case source, as many (like this one) blatantly contradict the original manga or themselves. For instance, the manga makes it clear 23rd TB Ten > Piccolo Daimao, whereas the Daizenshuu paints a different picture.

If we're using guidebook statements you also have the Daizenshuu explicitly stating that Shin is scared of Yakon, as well as Base Trunks being able to fight evenly with #18 at the 25th TB, both things that can be easily inferred from the manga as opposed to something such as a guidebook statement in a vacuum.
On the opposite end of guidebook statements, we also have Budokai 3 promotional material stating 5th form Coola is at 470mil and SSJ Gogeta is at 2.5bil, which regardless of how minimalist your battle power list is, just can't work logistically. Some guidebook statements need to be taken with a grain of salt if they blatantly go against what the series presents.

Also, he managed to somewhat keep up with Base Goku who, at this point, have him superior to 50% Frieza in my list.

Evidence should always come before battle power lists, and the evidence from the manga has quite a clear point on Base Goku at bare minimum being above #18 and which placing him as low as 50% Freeza doesn't really have much backing it up. Not only was Trunks able to fight her evenly in a restricted costume, but Vegeta's opinion on his chances didn't change after the "No SSJ rule" was implemented despite #18 being on the plane.

Also, before the classic "#18 was suppressed" excuse:

- Character-wise, she has no reason to when she's in it to win.
- If assuming she was holding back due to thinking Mighty Mask was a normal human, she's immediately proven wrong and the idea her full power is far above his league would bring up the obvious question of why did she not simply put forth enough power to KO them?
- Trunks makes it apparent how restrictive the costume is so no matter how you cut it, he was unable to fight to the best of his ability.

Also, before the "Base Goku < Freeza according to Super" argument, refer here for some counter-arguments: http://www.dbzeta.net/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=15933

 

[Void]

Yakon wins handily unless we're counting Super.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

Yakon wins handily unless we're counting Super.

And even counting Super, there's a lot of ways to counter the infamous "Freeza > Base Goku" statement, namely things such as Goku likely being at his resting level, Beerus noticing the physical differences from what he saw in Whis' crystal ball, etc.

 

[Future Warrior]

Does Beerus know about Freeza's final form?

 

[Keedounan]

For reasons already stated above, Yakon one-shots.

 

[Void]

Yakon wins handily unless we're counting Super.

And even counting Super, there's a lot of ways to counter the infamous "Freeza > Base Goku" statement, namely things such as Goku likely being at his resting level, Beerus noticing the physical differences from what he saw in Whis' crystal ball, etc.

Beerus is millions of years old and would have to be totally incompetent to not realize Goku was suppressed. Goku could staredown Cell for a moment in Z and determine he couldn't beat him.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

Beerus is millions of years old and would have to be totally incompetent to not realize Goku was suppressed. Goku could staredown Cell for a moment in Z and determine he couldn't beat him.

If there's anything Beerus is shown to be after BoG, it's incompetent, as are most characters who really shouldn't in Super. Whis had to be the one to point out how strong Jiren was and even then, he needed to see Jiren push back the Genki-Dama to tell he was definitely on Hakaishin tier. The idea of being able to tell how strong an opponent is from simply seeing them seems to be something completely ignored in Super.

 

[SSJ2]

Not to mention Freeza > Base Saiyans is directly contradicted by the the series preceding Super, so I don’t see why a rogue statement from Beerus is relevant.