Yamcha (22nd Budokai) vs Tao Pai Pai

[ahill1]

Who wins?

 

[Papasmurf]

Kuririn said Yamcha was around equal to him, and Goku was dominating his fight with Kuririn, but not by so much that he would win with ease until he used his full match level and disappeared from his sight. Taopaipai was just being fapped because Roshi remembered his prime and the Tsuru school was delusional, in my opinion.

Not to mention, simply watching Goku defeat Panputto with ease made them believe he may have killed Tao. Shouldn't be a match for Kuririn or Yam either way imo.

 

[ahill1]

I always thought Yamcha was stronger as well. But why was Tenshinhan shocked when he knew Goku defeated Tao Pai Pai if Yamcha was already able to? Doesn't make much sense to me.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

Also Tao-Pai-Pai was a professional-assassin. He wasn't above cheating and since Goku was a child, they probably figured even if he was out-classed he might be able to trick him or something (professional assassin). For example the Grenade at the end, which Goku kicked-back at him & literally blew-up in his face.

Yamcha makes mince-meat out of Tao.

 

[Papasmurf]

Tenshinhan believed Yamcha was the strongest among them until he'd seen Kuririn's match with Chaozu and heard from Goku he'd beaten Taopaipai while they were watching said match. That and, like I said, he was probably delusional that his personal idol was beaten by anybody 1

 

[ahill1]

Yea, he thought Yamcha was the strongest of the Kame's school, but it makes little sense to me that he would be surprised at Tao's defeat if Yamcha was more than enough to do the job.

@2kewl4u - Very good point. But I think Tsuru emphasazing Goku's strength when he defeated Kuririn should lean towards they believing Goku hadn't enough strength to do that. Only my opinion.

 

[Papasmurf]

I also don't see the point of Kuririn demanding Goku to use his full power if he weren't a lot stronger than Goku was 3 years ago, and he outclassed Taopaipai then. He seems to just be very overrated in the 22nd due to him being the last notable opponent Goku "killed" other than Black.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

It's also a possibility Tao got lower over the years and who knows how long it's been since Tsuru-sennin saw Tao go all-out at full-power (unless they fought each-other every-time).

 

[ahill1]

Well put. Roshi, when he saw Goku got considerably stronger (watching his fight with Chapa-o) still said all of the three (Goku, Kuririn and Yamcha) could win the tournament.

So maybe Tao was just overrated. I find a bit too much Tsuru Sennin underrate him so much, since he said there are 3 years he doesn't see Tao, showing he saw Tao not too much before the latter's fight against Goku.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

Well put. Roshi, when he saw Goku got considerably stronger (watching his fight with Chapa-o) still said all of the three (Goku, Kuririn and Yamcha) could win the tournament.

So maybe Tao was just overrated. I find a bit too much Tsuru Sennin underrate him so much, since he said there are 3 years he doesn't see Tao, showing he saw Tao not too much before the latter's fight against Goku.

Did they fight?

 

[ahill1]

I don't know lol.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

I don't know lol.

so how we know for sure when tsuru-sennin last saw him fight all-out (never happened anyway, i think since tao was so high) or when they fought each-other???

wot we do know is that the gang saw goku fight all-out against grand-pa gohan 3 years before

& they seem to remember that, too since they say at the beginning that goku doesn't look too diff. (from 3 years ago)

yet they think goku has got a-lot higher after seeing his fight against chapa-o, so:

initial goku > goku (post-Karin-training)

it doesn't even matter in this entire post i'm making whether chapa-o is higher than goku from 3 years ago (which i do think, tho), all that matters is that goku's performance against chapa-o & wot he showed in his fight against him was enough to conclude he got a-lot higher

 

[withheldforprivacy]

I think Tenshinhan had not even realized that he was himself stronger than Taopaipai by that point. That's because he adored his mentor and
could not believe there was someone stronger than him.
Likewise, Goku had not realized he'd surpassed Roshi, not even after training with Korin.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

I think Tenshinhan had not even realized that he was himself stronger than Taopaipai by that point. That's because he adored his mentor and
could not believe there was someone stronger than him.
Likewise, Goku had not realized he'd surpassed Roshi, not even after training with Korin.

sometimes ur logic is just flawless

 

[ahill1]

@2kewl4u

Never said Tsuru Sennin saw Tao Pai Pai fight, but Tenshinhan's actions somehow leads me to think that by that statement,
Tenshinhan had not fought with someone superior to Tao Pai Pai earlier, since he would not find interesting fight with someone higher had he did it before. If he thought that Yamcha was also superior to Tao Pai Pai, he would not find interesting fight with Son Goku because the latter defeated Tao Pai Pai . I do not know if I'm doing me well understand ...

 

[Fantastische Hure]

@2kewl4u

Never said Tsuru Sennin saw Tao Pai Pai fight, but Tenshinhan's actions somehow leads me to think that by that statement,
Tenshinhan had not fought with someone superior to Tao Pai Pai earlier, since he would not find interesting fight with someone higher had he did it before. If he thought that Yamcha was also superior to Tao Pai Pai, he would not find interesting fight with Son Goku because the latter defeated Tao Pai Pai . I do not know if I'm doing me well understand ...

He doesn't necessarily have to find fighting Goku interesting, because of Goku defeating Tao. He also just saw Goku own Pamput in a very impressive way and saw a-bit of how high he was. Maybe it's what Goku showed against him that made him think it'd be an interesting fight.

 

[Animelover5487]

Yamcha. King Chappa alone is stronger than Tao.

 

[Diamond Ryan]

Yamcha definitely wins. Roshi stated that any of the three could have a chance at winning, and this was after seeing Goku's power in the Uranai Baba saga.

 

[Papasmurf]

Plus, he specifically instructed Goku to continue to get stronger by running across the globe whenever he had somewhere to go instead of relying on the Kintoun, and knew he'd gotten much stronger as a result. Yet we see that he was still very shocked he beat Chappa with ease when he believed he'd have trouble. Taopaipai should just be nothing here. If we only went by Tsuru-sennin's hyping 23rd Tao would be indestructible, but we see otherwise.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

Plus, he specifically instructed Goku to continue to get stronger by running across the globe whenever he had somewhere to go instead of relying on the Kintoun, and knew he'd gotten much stronger as a result. Yet we see that he was still very shocked he beat Chappa with ease when he believed he'd have trouble. Taopaipai should just be nothing here. If we only went by Tsuru-sennin's hyping 23rd Tao would be indestructible, but we see otherwise.

You can make a-lot of things sound convincing.

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