Yamcha vs Raditz

[ahill1]

Yamcha from the arrival of Vegeta and Nappa. Who wins?

 

[Six Trails]

Yamcha.

 

[Diamond Ryan]

Yamcha.

 

[SSJ2]

Yamcha did not rival Saiabaman. For fucks sake ahill.

 

[ahill1]

Yamcha

Why?

Yamcha did not rival Saiabaman. For fucks sake ahill.

He wasn't really too much above the Saibaiman. I could easily see him as a distant rival. Initially they both move at super speed and it's shown both of them attacking each other and struggling over it, with Yamcha greeting his teeth and sweating. The Saibaiman step away and attack Yamcha, to which Yamcha tricks him with an afterimage(?) and makes a KMHMH, which still doesn't kill the Cultivar. He stating he would take all seven is more like over confidence imo, seeing he couldn't easily overpower one of them in a hand to hand exchange.

 

[SSJ2]

Can't neg rep you unfortunately.

 

[Six Trails]

Yamcha

Why

Personally, I feel that the whole point of making the Saibamen around Raditz tier and then have them be defeated by the Z Fighters was to show how the main characters had progressed yet are still vastly outclassed by the new villains.. Basically, all of them (besides maybe Chaozu) surpassed Raditz, but are still nothing to Nappa and Vegeta.

Hope that makes sense.

 

[Jeff Styles]

Yamcha wins rather easy if he chooses to take advantage of Raditz's tail weakness.

 

[ahill1]

Yamcha

Why

Personally, I feel that the whole point of making the Saibamen around Raditz tier and then have them be defeated by the Z Fighters was to show how the main characters had progressed yet are still vastly outclassed by the new villains.. Basically, all of them (besides maybe Chaozu) surpassed Raditz, but are still nothing to Nappa and Vegeta.

Hope that makes sense.

Fair enough. But how'd you see the fight? A hard one for Yamcha?

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

I'll give Yamcha a chance for this.

 

[withheldforprivacy]

I remember reading somewhere that AT said Raditz is at 1500 and the statement about rivalling Saibaimen
was a mistake.

 

[Tapion]

Yamcha wins without too much trouble if you don't have Raditz at 1500. Otherwise, Raditz wins after a good fight.

 

[Animelover5487]

I seriously doubt Raditz is 1,500

- Raditz has to exert serious effort and difficulty into blocked Goku's 924 Kamehameha, more difficulty than 2,800 Masenko (Gohan) vs 4,000 Nappa

- Raditz is frightened by the SBC's 1,330 reading which he admits would kill him if hit

- Raditz is again frightened by Gohan's 1,307 reading and is greatly injured by a single headbutt

- Couple all that with him being stated to rival a Saibaman and there's noway he's 1,500


Anyway, Yamcha wins.

 

[SSJ2]

@ahill1 http://dbzf.co.uk/topic/8446634/2/

 

[ahill1]

@ahill1 http://dbzf.co.uk/topic/8446634/2/

Yamcha looks struggling in a hand to hand combat and is only confident when the Saibaiman lets himself open. Yamcha's KMHMH still doesn't actually kill the Cultivar, who has still the strength to grapple Yamcha.

I'm not arguing Yamcha isn't stronger than the Saibaiman, I know he is. I just don't think the difference is that great, I can see them as distant rivals.

 

[SSJ2]

I think it's just outside rival range. Struggling, perhaps. But if you look closely Saib never does anything of note aside from matching Yamcha in the first panel. After that Yamcha either blocks his attacks or is too fast, and also lands a blow in his own right. And as I said in the topic on F, the KHH does not have a good history of killing someone. Kaioken x4 Goku vs Vegeta is a good example.

 

[ahill1]

I think it's just outside rival range. Struggling, perhaps. But if you look closely Saib never does anything of note aside from matching Yamcha in the first panel. After that Yamcha either blocks his attacks or is too fast, and also lands a blow in his own right. And as I said in the topic on F, the KHH does not have a good history of killing someone. Kaioken x4 Goku vs Vegeta is a good example.

I think it also depends on what we call a "rivaling gap". Sometimes even a gap when there's a noticeable difference has already been referred to as a rivaling gap, like weighted Piccolo and #17.

Regarding Vegeta not being killed, I just go with Vic's theory: Plot lol. Kid Goku's KMHMH (when it had most likely significantly less amplification, since you could argue Yamcha's one wasn't amplified) desintegrated Tambourine. Goku's KMHMH vs Piccolo Junior didn't do much, sure, but you can see Piccolo was in a block position.

I'd say Yamcha was 1.1x above the Saibaiman (1,320), which I still call as distant rivals.

 

[SSJ2]

I think it also depends on what we call a "rivaling gap". Sometimes even a gap when there's a noticeable difference has already been referred to as a rivaling gap, like weighted Piccolo and #17.

This is completely up for interpretation, though. You could have Weighted Piccolo: 95, 17: 100, and 18: 92 and not contradict a thing. There doesn't have to be a noticeable gap there.

Regarding Vegeta not being killed, I just go with Vic's theory: Plot lol.

If you are going to say this then you cannot use it as evidence for your side that Yamcha couldn't kill him.

I'd say Yamcha was 1.1x above the Saibaiman (1,320), which I still call as distant rivals.

I'd say that's the absolute bare minimum. 1.15x seems better to me.

 

[xmysticgohanx]

I remember reading somewhere that AT said Raditz is at 1500 and the statement about rivalling Saibaimen
was a mistake.

All he said was that Raditz is indeed above a Saibaiman

OT: Yamcha high diffs due to knowing how to sense ki

I have Raditz: 1500

Yamcha: 1480

aka the Daiz

 

[ahill1]

This is completely up for interpretation, though. You could have Weighted Piccolo: 95, 17: 100, and 18: 92 and not contradict a thing. There doesn't have to be a noticeable gap there.

I'd not say that taking off the weights provides just this tiny boost, which is less than a 1.1x difference. Last time, the weighted boost took Piccolo from being speed blitzed by full power 2nd form Freeza to being able to defeat this same Freeza. Piccolo also bothered to take off his weights against #20, which also implies it'd make a difference.

If you are going to say this then you cannot use it as evidence for your side that Yamcha couldn't kill him.

The Saiyajins are also known for being a pretty durable race, with Goku even aknowledging it with Nappa, when he took his quick fired KMHMH head on.

I'd say that's the absolute bare minimum. 1.15x seems better to me.

I think 1.1x is perfectly fine, seeing how Vegeta hadn't to use much effort to take on Zarbon with a similar gap and even said how he seems to be standing still. The Saibaiman, while weaker, was able to make Yamcha exert effort in a hand to hand combat and could follow his movements in the first instance Yamcha used super speed.