Zamas (Manga) vs Super-Vegetto (Boo saga)

[Fantastische Hure]

Who wins?

 

[Pyro]

Normal Zamasu? Probably not anywhere near SSJ Vegetto. I don't know what makes Trunks that strong either, and Zamasu is weaker than him.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

Zamasu stomps via-scaling from SSJ Goku being implied to not be far behind 10% of SSB Vegeta.

 

[ahill1]

Zamasu didn't seem that much beyond Kibito judging from their sparring, but Kaioshin took that to mean he was above the overall Kaioshin's, so I dunno how to digest that fight.

Goku stated his strength wasn't such that Trunks couldn't defeat him, but Trunks was already on par with post God SSJ3 Goku, whose SSJ is already on the vicinity of 1/10 Blue Vegeta. I dunno. I feel Vegetto would still get this.

If this is Merged Zamasu though, then no chance for Z Vegetto.

 

[GSM123]

Zamasu wins by being immortal and outlasting the potara fusion.

Normal Zamasu? Probably not anywhere near SSJ Vegetto. I don't know what makes Trunks that strong either, and Zamasu is weaker than him.

How strong you think Goku’s forms are in Super relative to Z?

 

[Fantastische Hure]

It's hard to place Zamas. All we know is that Trunks could defeat him. We might just-well go with the Anime and say Zamas in on-par with SSJ2 Goku (manga) or...?

 

[Captain Cadaver]

It's hard to place Zamas. All we know is that Trunks could defeat him. We might just-well go with the Anime and say Zamas in on-par with SSJ2 Goku (manga) or...?

I'd say being on the low end of SS3 tier would make the most sense. Goku said Trunks was stronger, but didn't suggest it'd be a stomp match.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

It's hard to place Zamas. All we know is that Trunks could defeat him. We might just-well go with the Anime and say Zamas in on-par with SSJ2 Goku (manga) or...?

I'd say being on the low end of SS3 tier would make the most sense. Goku said Trunks was stronger, but didn't suggest it'd be a stomp match.

Did he have to though? He said "even" Trunks could defeat him, why would he let Trunks fight him if it'd be a hard fight. I know he let Gohan fight Dabura but still.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

Did he have to though? He said "even" Trunks could defeat him, why would he let Trunks fight him if it'd be a hard fight. I know he let Gohan fight Dabura but still.

He didn't let Trunks fight with Zamasu though. After saying that Trunks > Zamasu, Goku continued to speedblitz Zamasu's attacks and knock him away, then Zamasu fused with Black.
It's also worth noting despite his statement, Goku didn't power down to SS3, suggesting he certainly wasn't confident on having an easy time with Zamasu with that.
The Viz translation does have Goku say Trunks is far stronger, thought that seems to be a Viz exclusive thing and even if he was, the other evidence would suggest Zamasu is still closer to SS3 than SS2.

 

[Pyro]

Zamasu wins by being immortal and outlasting the potara fusion.

Normal Zamasu? Probably not anywhere near SSJ Vegetto. I don't know what makes Trunks that strong either, and Zamasu is weaker than him.

How strong you think Goku’s forms are in Super relative to Z?

I don't have anything set in stone, but I know SSJG Goku (U6) >>> SSJG Goku (BoG) >>> SSJ Vegetto at the very least, which bumps up Goku tremendously.

Oh, yeah, and didn't Goku do fine against Zamasu with regular Super Saiyan?

 

[Fantastische Hure]

Zamasu wins by being immortal and outlasting the potara fusion.

Normal Zamasu? Probably not anywhere near SSJ Vegetto. I don't know what makes Trunks that strong either, and Zamasu is weaker than him.

How strong you think Goku’s forms are in Super relative to Z?

I don't have anything set in stone, but I know SSJG Goku (U6) >>> SSJG Goku (BoG) >>> SSJ Vegetto at the very least, which bumps up Goku tremendously.

Oh, yeah, and didn't Goku do fine against Zamasu with regular Super Saiyan?

I don't think I remember that in the manga. Maybe the anime.

Do you think Zamas is SSJ3 tier?

 

[Pyro]

Nope. He's gutter trash.

 

[GSM123]

Zamasu wins by being immortal and outlasting the potara fusion.

Normal Zamasu? Probably not anywhere near SSJ Vegetto. I don't know what makes Trunks that strong either, and Zamasu is weaker than him.

How strong you think Goku’s forms are in Super relative to Z?

I don't have anything set in stone, but I know SSJG Goku (U6) >>> SSJG Goku (BoG) >>> SSJ Vegetto at the very least, which bumps up Goku tremendously.

Oh, yeah, and didn't Goku do fine against Zamasu with regular Super Saiyan?

U6 SSJG > BoGs SSJG?

It’s worth noting ’s scream knocked out Shin but just paralyzed Goku, so probably Goku > Shin at least. I say having non god Goku at EoZ levels is fair game.

Yeah he did. I think he’s like Frost level at best.

 

[Keedounan]

Goku never fought Zamasu as a Super Saiyan, though?

 

[Fantastische Hure]

That's what I'm thinking too. When did that happen?

 

[Pyro]

I'll show you.

 

[Pyro]

Chapter 20, after Goku dodged Zamasu's pole stabbing telekinesis. Goku reverted to Super Saiyan. Even after surviving Zamasu's paralysis technique once, he remained in Super Saiyan. The next time we see him, he's in Base looking roughed up. Clearly he didn't think he needed higher levels to deal with Zamasu at that time, even knowing he was immortal.

 

[KyuubiAhri]

I think goku reverted to his ssj form saying that zamasu is nothing compared to black

 

[Papasmurf]

Chapter 20, after Goku dodged Zamasu's pole stabbing telekinesis. Goku reverted to Super Saiyan. Even after surviving Zamasu's paralysis technique once, he remained in Super Saiyan. The next time we see him, he's in Base looking roughed up. Clearly he didn't think he needed higher levels to deal with Zamasu at that time, even knowing he was immortal.

I don't think Goku could transform while caught in the telekinesis, especially considering he implies later as a SSJG that the telekinesis would still affect him in that form. Galu de-transformed to SSJ only because he thought Zamasu was mortally wounded, and later didn't imply Trunks (who's SSJ3 level) was way stronger than Zamasu. Zamasu >> SSJ Goku imo.

 

[Pyro]

I don't see it. Zamasu's trash just like Cell Games Piccolo.