Zamasu messed up from the start

[Jeff Styles]

Zamasu has the Super DBs not once, but twice. He have the whole world, well universes in his hands yet he messed up from the start. He could have wish to kill Zeno, the angles, or the Hakashins, but instead chose to switch bodies with Goku. Why didn't he wish to switch bodies with Zeno, one of the angles or one of the Hakashins?


The Super DBs are SUPPOSED to be able to grant any wish and this was the chance to show it. Instead it was wasted on a body switch with Goku and being immortal.

 

[Pocket-Gog~]

Because the Future Trunks arc is a poorly written embarrassment of an arc.

 

[Classic Adamas]

Super Sac

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

Merged Zamasu: "Mortals truly are foolish. Son Goku shall remain in my body? Exactly! That is my wish! Listen, Saiyan... Listen, Son Goku... You are a mortal, yet you have gained power that surpasses even gods. You are the personification of the failure of the gods who created this universe! As such, by becoming one with Son Goku... I have taken on the sins of mortals and the failure of gods in this body! This is truly the duty of a god."

 

[Pocket-Gog~]

Merged Zamasu: "Mortals truly are foolish. Son Goku shall remain in my body? Exactly! That is my wish! Listen, Saiyan... Listen, Son Goku... You are a mortal, yet you have gained power that surpasses even gods. You are the personification of the failure of the gods who created this universe! As such, by becoming one with Son Goku... I have taken on the sins of mortals and the failure of gods in this body! This is truly the duty of a god."

Doesn't justify the manga version as Zamasu didn't give a shit about that stuff.

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

I blame Toyo for that.

 

[Jeff Styles]

But the same thing happen in the anime...

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

I think the Super DBs cannot grant wish something that is against the Gods which could explain why the future cannot be wish back. Zamasu and Black in the manga are aware about Zeno and feared that he might stop them.

 

[Pocket-Gog~]

I think the Super DBs cannot grant wish something that is against the Gods which could explain why the future cannot be wish back. Zamasu and Black in the manga are aware about Zeno and feared that he might stop them.

That's complete head canon though. It's the authors job to write the story, not the fans.

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

True but someone disagree.

 

[Pocket-Gog~]

 

[CONTAK]

Didn't black say he enjoyed killing ningens? He clearly derived pleasure in wiping people out on Trunk's planet. Characters in story do what they want, not what is most logical. That isn't even a dragonball thing, that is a 'every story that has ever been written' thing.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

Didn't black say he enjoyed killing ningens? He clearly derived pleasure in wiping people out on Trunk's planet.

He never stated such in the manga as I recall and makes it apparent business came first by quickly wiping out all the mortals but Mai and Trunks after defeating Goku and Vegeta, so it's still fair criticism of his manga self.

Characters in story do what they want, not what is most logical. That isn't even a dragonball thing, that is a 'every story that has ever been written' thing.

Even then, there are limits when it comes to character flaws that separate well written and poorly written stories. No well written story has a character making such massive oversights in an otherwise intricate plan when messing with such giant stakes as the Multiverse and it's gods.

 

[CONTAK]

I would say most well written stories has some form of oversight in the villain's plan, death star for example. It usually is an appeal to the self defeating nature of hubris. Of course that may not be the case here or in many stories, but I believe that is where the trope started.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

I would say most well written stories has some form of oversight in the villain's plan, death star for example. It usually is an appeal to the self defeating nature of hubris. Of course that may not be the case here or in many stories, but I believe that is where the trope started.

The dividing line, however, is whether or not the oversight is realistic. If we're using the Death Star as an example, that is an excusable oversight as logically a space station that produces that much energy would need some sort of exhaust point so that the heat wouldn't boil it from within (at least until Rogue One appeared and made things an idiotic mess). Using a more comparable example of arrogance, something such as Sauron's loss of the One Ring is excusable due to it making sense he wouldn't believe a human would damage him when they lacked the magical power to stand in any way equal to him.

Zamasu, however, is not an excusable case when he went as far as to not have his plan noticed by a Hakaishin as focusing on a universe where one didn't exist. If we're meant to believe he is some kind of clever planner, him ignoring such a simple alternative is a complete betrayal of this premise.

 

[Void]

If Zamas had just used the Super Dragonballs to wipe out all mortals then there would be no arc. What we ended up with turned into a convoluted mess, not because Zamas didn't use the Super Dragonballs for that reason, but it was due to his arrogance. The downfall of every DB villain. They had ample opportunity to kill off Goku, Vegeta, and co. It was a shame too, because the arc started off decent in both mediums.

 

[CONTAK]

I agree, he is not very clever. The second Zamasu, who had not never met Goku just wanted to be immortal. The first, however, had some weird fixation on Goku where he wanted Goku to suffer and personally kill his family in his likeness.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

Except that isn't the case in the manga where the most interaction he had with Goku prior to meeting him in Trunks' timeline was watching his fight against Hit on GodTube, thus making his choice inexcusable manga-wise.
Even anime-wise, it still isn't really excused when even if Black didn't make the choice, they could've easily used the heavily convenient time travel to get another timeline's Zamasu and Super Dragon Balls to have this third one take over Zen-Oh's body or get rid of him in general prior to systematically removing all the DBs they could find.